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Should the Pacers make another move?

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  • #46
    Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

    Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
    I just do not agree with this at all. He was a very, very good player coming off the bench for us at the end of last season. He added much needed scoring off of the bench. He got injured before the playoffs and had trouble guarding Wade (who doesn't?) and now everyone thinks he is chopped liver.

    He was a lot better/more valuable than some of you think IMO.
    What? Read what I wrote again. We did not see Leandro Barbosa's best, and how could we? After all, Leandro Barbosa did not have training camp with this season and he was injured during the playoffs. However, Leandro Barbosa was a good player. If he was good while playing with a disadvantage, how could we not expect him to be better? I think Leandro Barbosa should be re-signed.

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    • #47
      Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
      Huh? Pierce and KG are better than anyone the Pacers have right now. The Pacers are not deeper. Look at Boston's draft, the players they picked up and the players they get back from injury. They are far deeper and better than the Pacers right now. Like LA, they start three or four players who are better than any player the Pacers have..... This has been the case and it will be the case this year. Boston got much BETTER in the off season. They have a far better coach who most people consider one of the best in the game. The Pacers added some slightly better bench players. Boston and it isn't close..... ...
      sure whatever..this coming from the person that thought Luck was a bad pick.

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      • #48
        Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

        Originally posted by Swingman View Post
        sure whatever..this coming from the person that thought Luck was a bad pick.
        I never thought Luck was a bad pick and I didn't say that. I did say that I thought RG3 might be the better QB. I still think that is possible but Luck looked damned good today even if it was a preseason game. I don't know how really bad the Rams are. I also said our best bet for a quick return to the SB would be to keep Peyton and use the draft and free agency to shore up the team around him. I still believe that is true. I have been more worried about the OL protecting him and I saw problems there today but he scrambled and got the ball off quickly to make up for it. He is going to have to do a lot of that.... ...

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        • #49
          Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

          I'd say Pierce is marginally better than Granger, who I don't consider more than a solid NBA player. Garnett v. West is probably about a wash. Perhaps a slight nod to KG for better overall D and boards. But, the real difference between us and Boston is flat out R. Rondo. They have him and we don't.
          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

          -Emiliano Zapata

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          • #50
            Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

            Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
            I'd say Pierce is marginally better than Granger, who I don't consider more than a solid NBA player. Garnett v. West is probably about a wash. Perhaps a slight nod to KG for better overall D and boards. But, the real difference between us and Boston is flat out R. Rondo. They have him and we don't.
            What? Granger would not be allowed to carry Pierce's jock. The difference is between a decent starter and a perenial all star. Garnet versus West is even more lopsided. Garnett would clamp West down and West could do nothing on defense to slow KG. Both of Boston's players at those positions are on a completely different level than their counterparts on the Pacers. It is fun to think those thing but please try to keep some commonsense about it....... ...

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            • #51
              Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
              What? Granger would not be allowed to carry Pierce's jock. The difference is between a decent starter and a perenial all star. Garnet versus West is even more lopsided. Garnett would clamp West down and West could do nothing on defense to slow KG. Both of Boston's players at those positions are on a completely different level than their counterparts on the Pacers. It is fun to think those thing but please try to keep some commonsense about it....... ...
              Maybe, but Rondo is still the man that makes the Celtics go at this point. He is the team leader an best player. In the losses to Miami Pierce looked pedestrian, much like Granger. No doubt Pierce is well above Granger over - likewise Garnett over West - if you look at their entire careers. My comparison is based on how I see them all currently. And I'd still say the Cs are better than us until we prove otherwise.
              I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

              -Emiliano Zapata

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              • #52
                Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

                Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                Maybe, but Rondo is still the man that makes the Celtics go at this point. He is the team leader an best player. In the losses to Miami Pierce looked pedestrian, much like Granger. No doubt Pierce is well above Granger over - likewise Garnett over West - if you look at their entire careers. My comparison is based on how I see them all currently. And I'd still say the Cs are better than us until we prove otherwise.
                There is almost as much difference between Granger and Pierce as there is from Pierce to LBJ. Not quite but a reasonable comparison. Danny is no star and Pierce and KG still are stars. The Celtics are MUCH better than the Pacers. It really isn't close. I would pick the Pacers to win one game against them in a playoff series and no more than that. ...

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                • #53
                  Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

                  So how bout you just agree with something I say? Didn't I just say I consider the Celts better? That would mean I would favor them to beat us in a playoff series. The Pacers have a lot to prove before they can move beyond Celts in terms of deep playoff potential. I think it will be very difficult to move beyond them in a head to head series, particularly due to the fact we have no answer for Rondo. But those other guys are important factors too.
                  I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                  -Emiliano Zapata

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                  • #54
                    Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

                    Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                    I'd say Pierce is marginally better than Granger, who I don't consider more than a solid NBA player. Garnett v. West is probably about a wash. Perhaps a slight nod to KG for better overall D and boards. But, the real difference between us and Boston is flat out R. Rondo. They have him and we don't.
                    Who knew that just solid NBA players would average 18+ points in their career.
                    Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 08-12-2012, 10:06 PM. Reason: I forgot DG only played on the Wold Championship team and not the olympic team

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                    • #55
                      Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

                      Granger is overrated by some on this board. He's a solid player who deserved his one AS appearance, but, IMO, a one-time AS is not enough to merit definitive enshrinement in the pantheon of star players. He is a somewhat above - average NBA player for his career. Multiple AS appearances are required before we get into star or superstar territory. Additionally, leading one's team to conference finals and/or finals wouldn't hurt.

                      So, I appreciate and recognize what he's done during a frustrating period of Pacers NBA hoops. But my feeling is that if he's the top dog on our team, we won't be legit deep playoff contenders. He is probably best suited to be a 2nd or 3rd option on a championship contender.
                      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                      -Emiliano Zapata

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                      • #56
                        Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

                        I see the Celtics as a really SMALL team.. Our back court is going to give them A LOT of problems! I too don't see the Celtics as much better than us...

                        One thing that I think is vital to us, is the fact that we have our main set of guys ALL back again, they're all close friends, and they're all still YOUNG and IMPROVING.. Our boys are HUNGRY, they got that taste last year, and they're gonna continue to grow.. WE have a great team guys.. We should be very proud of what we have here..

                        Teams like BROOKLYN, are going to be a good up and coming team, but I really dont think they can mess with our unison..

                        A lot of teams have the problem of losing a key player- and they're SCREWED! we have a healthy team, and we're very deep. We can play through whatever injury bugs come our way.. We are going to be a GREAT regular season team.. These East is vastily improved- but so are we.. We're going to be competitive and that's all we can ask for..

                        It's obvious no one is messing with LAKERS VS HEAT in the finals this year (unless there is injuries).. But I know I'll have fun watching this team IMPROVE, and continue to GROW together.. I'm just excited to see the growth.. I really wanna see what everyone is doing this off season!

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                        • #57
                          Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

                          Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                          Who knew that just solid NBA players would average 18+ points in their career, while also being selected to an Olympic team and all star game.
                          Granger was never on the Olympic team...... ... He was on the World Championship team and rode the pine because Coach K wouldn't let him near the court because he is a lousy defender. He is basically a spot of three point shooter and that is all he is. He doesn't get many assists because when he gets the ball, it is going up. He can't move with the ball, he is a less than adequate rebounder and he still is a lousy defender and all though he goes through the motions of putting more effort into it, he basically coasts on that end of the floor. Granger is the second most overrated player (by fans) in Pacers history...... ... That, of course, is my opinion after watching him for years and years.....

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                          • #58
                            Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

                            Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                            There is almost as much difference between Granger and Pierce as there is from Pierce to LBJ. Not quite but a reasonable comparison. Danny is no star and Pierce and KG still are stars. The Celtics are MUCH better than the Pacers. It really isn't close. I would pick the Pacers to win one game against them in a playoff series and no more than that. ...
                            I thanked you for both posts....... ...

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                            • #59
                              Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

                              Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                              Granger is overrated by some on this board. He's a solid player who deserved his one AS appearance, but, IMO, a one-time AS is not enough to merit definitive enshrinement in the pantheon of star players. He is a somewhat above - average NBA player for his career. Multiple AS appearances are required before we get into star or superstar territory. Additionally, leading one's team to conference finals and/or finals wouldn't hurt.

                              So, I appreciate and recognize what he's done during a frustrating period of Pacers NBA hoops. But my feeling is that if he's the top dog on our team, we won't be legit deep playoff contenders. He is probably best suited to be a 2nd or 3rd option on a championship contender.
                              I agree with the last part of your post 100%. But there is a big difference (in my opinion) between an average NBA player and a good NBA player. I'm not saying he's a star, and definitely not an All-Star. But he's far from a "solid" or average NBA starter. Anybody who is in the top 50-60 players in the league, that's a little more than solid.....at least in my opinion

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                              • #60
                                Re: Should the Pacers make another move?

                                Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                                Granger was never on the Olympic team...... ... He was on the World Championship team and rode the pine because Coach K wouldn't let him near the court because he is a lousy defender. He is basically a spot of three point shooter and that is all he is. He doesn't get many assists because when he gets the ball, it is going up. He can't move with the ball, he is a less than adequate rebounder and he still is a lousy defender and all though he goes through the motions of putting more effort into it, he basically coasts on that end of the floor. Granger is the second most overrated player (by fans) in Pacers history...... ... That, of course, is my opinion after watching him for years and years.....
                                I know you have your negative opinions of DG, so I wont even try to change them. All I can say is a player can't average over 18 ppg in his career by being ONLY a spot 3-pt shooter. Steve Kerr, Kyle Korver, Steve Novak..those are spot 3-pt shooters . But a guy who's averaged close to 20 points a game in his career is a little more than a spot 3-pt shooter. A volume scorer? Maybe. No he's not a superstar, or even a star really. But you don't become the 2nd leading scorer in the HISTORY of an NBA franchise by being only a spot 3 pt shooter. Thats just my opinion.

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