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  • #91
    Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

    Originally posted by croz24 View Post
    Makes me wonder if we could have been part of the deal instead of Philly had we offered up Granger and a couple of 1sts.
    No. Iggy's better. And Philly gave them Harkless too. Either way, why? So we can have 2 max Cs that can't play together?

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    • #92
      Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

      Gotta give the Lakers credit. They've had one lottery pic in the last decade and they picked the second best center in the league then traded him for the best center in the league. They're good because they maximize the opportunities they have. It's not luck and it's not because they're in LA. The Wizards, Cavs, Knicks etc are given chance after chance and squander them. The Lakers have one, and nail it.

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      • #93
        Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

        It's not strictly because they're in LA, Kupchak is legitimately very good at his job.

        But it's because they're in LA.

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        • #94
          Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

          Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
          Philly apparently swept in in like the last 2 days and got a 25 (when the season starts) year old C putting up 18/11/2 on a really good team for nothing but an overpaid wing. A really good one, granted, but that's outstanding for them.

          Orlando should fire their new GM. So much for the theory that if he worked for the Spurs he's a genius.
          He actually worked for the Thunder and has been absolutely horrendously BAD as a gm so far.
          Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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          • #95
            Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

            Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
            He actually worked for the Thunder and has been absolutely horrendously BAD as a gm so far.
            He started with the Spurs. Followed Presti to OKC.

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            • #96
              Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
              It's not strictly because they're in LA, Kupchak is legitimately very good at his job.

              But it's because they're in LA.
              And so are the Clippers.

              Being in LA helps the Lakers. Being a well run organization from top to bottom is how they win titles.

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              • #97
                Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

                http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story...cratcher-magic

                Someone with insider post this article please?
                Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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                • #98
                  Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

                  Originally posted by skyfire View Post
                  That is a truly horrible collection of players to acquire for Howard. The collection of whatever you could get from the Rockets would be better than that easily. They didn't even get rid of Turkoglu who has a much worse contract than Richardson.
                  Yeah absolutely horrible trade for Orlando. When Afflalo and Harkless are the biggest pieces coming back for Howard, you know it's a horrible return. And they got stuck with Harrington's contract too! They seriously couldn't get a better deal from Houston? Houston also has multiple first rounders, whose quality are on par with what the Magic are expected to receive. Houston also has the capacity to take on many more of Orlando's bad deals.

                  So Lakers turned Bynum into Howard, Sixers turned Iggy into Bynum, and Nuggets turned Afflalo into Iggy. And to balance that equation, Orlando absorbs a huge talent deficit. Why didn't they just keep Bynum for themselves? Bynum and the shooters that they have (and can't unload) should at least let them have another go at the playoffs.

                  On the bright side, most of the teams that improved are out west, and Philly's improvement is balanced by the Magic going into the crapper. Sixers are going to be interesting to watch, but they won't be dangerous right away, I think.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers


                    Thursday, August 9, 2012
                    D12 deal a head-scratcher for Magic

                    By John Hollinger
                    ESPN.com

                    That's it?Wait, let me rephrase that.THAT'S IT????!?!?!?!?!?!?John McEnroe-like wonder fills me at the reportedDwight Howardtrade to the Lakers.You cannot be serious!I keep hoping in vain for David Stern to intervene and void the trade for basketball reasons. Or any other reason.This deal makes a mockery of the new collective bargaining agreement's alleged fairness to small markets; Orlando is selling one of the best players in the NBA for pennies on the dollar, while the rich only get richer. (But the tax-paying Lakers can't sign-and-tradeMatt Barnes-- that'll show 'em!)Mark my words: When we have our next lockout in 2016, this trade will be one of the flash points. The Lakers have a $99 million payroll, and will go over the century mark if and whenDevin Ebanksand Barnes re-sign. For the small-market owners, all they can do is count the luxury tax dollars from L.A. and golf clap over their 53-win glass ceiling. That's better than losing money, but they're still hermetically sealed off from a taste of the championship unless they're either incredibly lucky or incredibly brilliant. (Schedule alert: The Lakers don't visit the House That Dwight Built And Promptly Vacated until March 12.)To review the known details for each team in this complex deal, which is pending a Friday morning trade call:• The Lakers give upAndrew Bynumand a protected 2017 first-round pick, and receive Howard.• The Nuggets give upArron Afflalo,Al Harringtonand a protected first-round pick, and receiveAndre Iguodala.• The Sixers give up Iguodala,Nikola Vucevic,Moe Harklessand a protected first-round pick that can be no earlier than 2015, and receive Bynum andJason Richardson.• The Magic give up Howard, Richardson, and receive Afflalo, Harrington, Vucevic, Harkless and the three protected first-round picks mentioned above.Basically, I like this deal for the other three teams ... and hate it for Orlando. Let's break it down for each one:
                    Orlando Magic



                    I don't feel totally comfortable ripping them because I don't know what competing offers they had, but I have a hard time believing they couldn't do better than this. Suddenly, overpayingBrook Lopezdoesn't sound so bad.The Magic didn't generate that much salary-cap savings, but they didn't really need to. They'll have max cap room heading into the 2013 offseason, and they'll be even further under the cap if they cut partially guaranteed deals belonging to Harrington andHedo Turkoglu.But let's put it this way: The two players they received as salary ballast wouldn't have been my first two choices from the three other rosters in this deal.Afflalo is a halfway decent scorer who decided he was "The Man" last season and stopped playing defense. He's a hard-working, quality player, but he's also owed $31 million over the next four years and he'll be 27 years old by the start of this coming season.Harrington had a nice 2011-12, too, but Denver was wise to sell high. He is a Fluke Rule player (i.e., his stats can be expected to regress sharply next season), has a bad knee and is 32 years old. Just what you need to rebuild.Together, Afflalo and Harrington make nearly as much as Howard, and I'd argue that their two contracts have negative value going forward (although the Magic could cut Harrington after the season and save half the money since his deal is only 50 percent guaranteed).Oh, the Magic got some other things out of it, but it's all flotsam. They received three first-round picks, but they won't get much immediate help from those -- Philly's pick won't arrive until 2015 at the earliest, and the pick from the Lakers won't be available until 2017.The Magic also get two recent draft picks in the deal, Harkless and Vucevic, so they'll argue that they got five first-round picks for Howard. But they'll likely end up being five low-value firsts at the back end of the draft. In fact, they're guaranteed to be bad, since our Marc Stein reports that all three future ones are lottery protected. Of the other two, Vucevic is a solid backup center but nothing special, and I thought Harkless was a reach as a first-rounder.Instead, the only lottery pick Orlando gets out of this is its own, after what figures to be a 19-win season in 2012-13 leaves the Magic with a top-five pick.The amazing part, however, is what Orlandodidn'tget out of this: No Bynum. NoPau Gasol. Not even an Iguodala. I have a hard time believing Orlando couldn't stick the Lakers with Harrington and Magic forwardGlen Davisin return for Gasol, given that the Lakers had no other realistic means of acquiring Howard.It appears Orlando wants to rip its roster down to the studs and emulate the Oklahoma City model -- after all, new general manager Rob Hennigan came from the Thunder -- and perhaps the Magic can pull it off. Now all they have to do is select an all-time great and two other All-Stars in the next three drafts, and they'll be all set to emulate the Thunder.
                    Los Angeles Lakers



                    This is going to be so funny next summer when Howard spurns the Lakers to sign with the Hawks.(Wakes up.)Holy hell, it's good to be the Lakers. After somehow parlaying a pile of backyard trash intoSteve Nash, they now have converted the very good Andrew Bynum into the absolutely dominant Dwight Howard. As reported, they somehow didn't have to give up Gasol or even take back any bad contracts. But I'm sure they're crying a river over the 2017 first-round pick they had to give up. You'll excuse the Spurs and Thunder for feeling like they're playing a game that's rigged against them.It leaves the Lakers with a bit of a Miami in 2010-11 scenario, in which the pieces don't quite fit and they have to figure out how to make them mesh. As it was with Miami, having pieces such as these means it probably doesn't matter.Process this: Pau Gasol is thefourthoption. The Lakers are running the pick-and-roll with Nash and Howard, Gasol lifting for the midrange J, and Kobe lurking on the weak side? Good luck defending that.There is some risk that Howard will leave after the season, but it was equally present with Bynum. The new CBA gives players incentive to test free agency, so flight risk is part of the equation going forward. But again, when you're the Lakers, flight risk is much less of a problem than it is for, oh, say, Orlando.
                    Philadelphia 76ers



                    I've been harsh on Philly's front office, but this is a heck of a deal for the 76ers. Players such as Bynum aren't going to just show up in Philadelphia, but between having his Bird rights and his growing up in nearby central Jersey, he's about as minimal a flight risk as they could hope to get.Suddenly, the Sixers have a building block in the middle, and it didn't even cost them that much. Iguodala is a heck of a player and will be missed, but the other assets they relinquished were fungible. And even though Richardson is on a bad contract, he isn't exactly dead weight -- especially with a big man to draw double-teams.Of course, this makes the preceding events of the summer only look more foolish.Elton Brandwould have been great next to Bynum, there's no need forKwame Brownto play a minute on this roster (not that there was before), andNick YoungandDorell Wrightare redundant next to Richardson. Philly still has some work to do to get its roster shipshape for opening day. (Also, Philly: Any time you want to sign a backup point guard, go right ahead. Really.)But as for this trade? There's no way Philly couldn't do this deal. When you're one of the Other 25 in the league, you have to take chances on elite players when they come. The Sixers are taking a calculated gamble, and it should pay off. Their worst-case scenario is they get one year of Bynum and drop Iguodala's contract, which isn't necessarily a bad thing on its own.
                    Denver Nuggets



                    I love this deal for the Nuggets. Loveitloveitloveit. Iguodala is a hellacious wing stopper, the perfect complement forDanilo Gallinari, and his transition play will only be more terrifying surrounded by all that speed in Denver. The Nuggets are selling high on two players (Afflalo and Harrington) who might have peaked last season (especially Harrington) and move themselves a bit closer to making their no-stars model a viable one for getting beyond the first round of the playoffs.The only little fly in the ointment is that they helped the Lakers get Howard. Um, that's gonna be a problem. But Denver got better, too, and did so while actually improving its cap position, since Iguodala has only two years left on his deal. The Nuggets wriggle out of about $23 million in future money, or $16 million if you subtract the nonguaranteed part of Harrington's deal, and put themselves in position to be a cap team in 2014 if this doesn't work.As an aside, it also appears the Nuggets have become masters of what we'll call the "delayed sign-and-trade." After mild overpays of bothNeneand Afflalo last summer, done to keep each from departing without compensation, Denver quickly moved them along before the deals came back to bite it. The race betweenWilson ChandlerandJaVale McGeeto be the next one should be entertaining.In the meantime, a Denver club that was 19th in defensive efficiency likely will make a sharp jump with Iggy in tow. And as a side benefit, the Nuggets create some space on a roster that was getting dangerously overcrowded.



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                    • Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

                      Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                      And so are the Clippers.

                      Being in LA helps the Lakers. Being a well run organization from top to bottom is how they win titles.
                      Well the Clippers historically haven't put money into the team, while the Lakers will spend as much as they can.

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                      • I'm glad this bullcrap is finally over. I think Denver is the clear winner, however I'm stunned that LA was able to swindle Dwight without giving up Gasol.


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                        • Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          @WojYahooNBA: Final Nets offer Orlando rejected in July: Lopez, Humphries (1 year, $9.6M), Brooks, 4 unprotected No. 1's for Howard, JRich, Duhon, Clark.


                          Amazing.
                          After seeing this, I have no clue why Orlando would take this deal now. I guess if they had to do it over they would have done that trade with New Jersey. Orlando got screwed. I am surprised they let the first round picks be lotto protected. They could of had 3 starters in Brooks, Humphries, Lopez, and 4 uprotected picks. Wow, they really screwed up by passing on that.

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                          • Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

                            For the ones saying: "who doesn't want to see the best players in the finals?": FINE, but why keep with the BS that small market teams actually have a decent chance to win? They only win if: they get incredibly lucky in the lottery and don't make one friggin' mistake building their team.

                            I hate the "LA is brilliant"-talk. Sure, they have a very good front office, but they also have: HUGE wallets, a good climate, a huge commercial market, every player wanting to be there, etc.

                            WHAT's the point in following a smallmarket team in a league like this? I like rooting for the underdog, but I also would LOVE to see us actually WIN it sometime before the year 2050 aswell and it doesn't appear our chances of that happenning are good. At all.
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                            • Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

                              Originally posted by Mourning View Post
                              For the ones saying: "who doesn't want to see the best players in the finals?": FINE, but why keep with the BS that small market teams actually have a decent chance to win? They only win if: they get incredibly lucky in the lottery and don't make one friggin' mistake building their team.

                              I hate the "LA is brilliant"-talk. Sure, they have a very good front office, but they also have: HUGE wallets, a good climate, a huge commercial market, every player wanting to be there, etc.

                              WHAT's the point in following a smallmarket team in a league like this? I like rooting for the underdog, but I also would LOVE to see us actually WIN it sometime before the year 2050 aswell and it doesn't appear our chances of that happenning are good. At all.
                              According to the commercial of ESPN (or is it NBA?) the Bobkitties win the title. That's never happening.
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                              • Re: Dwight Howard Traded to Lakers

                                What a travesty of a trade for the Magic. Yeah, they got picks but man they are really spread out, they don't get the final one (2017) until after the next Olympics. And the best talent they bring back in Arron Aflalo (who I like, but damn).

                                I am incredibly low on Iggy, have never been a huge proponent of his game, so naturally I am shocked that in this center scarce era they got the second best center in the NBA for maybe 10th or so best SG/SF.

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