Announcement

Collapse

The Rules of Pacers Digest

Hello everyone,

Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
See more
See less

Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

Collapse
X
Collapse
 
  • Page of 2
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
Previous 1 2 template Next
  • #1

    Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

    Anybody & I mean anybody from this day forward that tells you it can't be loud in the fieldhouse because of acoustics is lying. The reason I call this a throwback is because the fans were in throwback mode tonight. The madhouse on Market street moved up two blocks.

    Sometimes we just need adversity to get us over the top. I think to often we've just come to count on J.O. or Reggie or Ron or whoever to just pick up the game & take over. Tonight the fans took over. It wasn't even a sellout & at first it wasn't even close. But the stands did start to fill up during the first quarter & it looked to me like there was a lot of walk up traffic.

    Look, let's be honest, we can't expect these results all the time. But as long as they give us this effort, this is going to be special. I mean 94 good from bad special.

    Rick called it, we love the game NOT the stars. To this day many of us still love Haywood Workman from that group & there was never a bigger lunchpail kind of gutsy player. Until now, we have an entire team filled with hero's.

    Let's look at them.

    But first let's look at the man. Reggie Miller.

    Again, he's old school, so it's universal that people love him. But the truth is this is an old vet. who's reputation is already set in stone with this franchise. He doesn't have to be a cheerleader. But there is not a bigger fan in that building that Reggie Miller. He's the first player off the bench onto the floor whenever the squad comes out for a break & he's giving high fives to everybody. He even broke out an old dance for us tonight. Like I said, he doesn't have to do this, the fans are going to love him come hell or highwater but he is only night & night out proving why he is was & always will be the face of this franchise.

    To the players on the floor.

    I'm telling you that last years draft was the strongest draft in N.B.A. history. James Jones was a mid second round draft pick & we knew last season that if he was on another team with a chance to play he had some skill. I had no idea he was going to be this skilled. Did you see the defense the guy played on Paul Pierce? The fact that Pierce ended with 20 points is a sham because James just outplayed him all night long. His rebounding is out of this world good. I don't expect him to continue to grab double figure boards all season long but man this helps.

    I'm going to aks a question now & I hope everybody doesn't think I'm just doing this to pick on him but.... If James continues this play for a couple weeks or even close to this play can we explore trading Bender for a warm body? I don't mean dump him I mean make a move to get some help in here for the rest of the season? Seriousley, isn't James already doing now what people hope Bender would some day do? I haven't checked the records yet but hasn't James already outrebounded him for a career high? I'm not even sure what Jon's career high is on points? Again, I'm not talking about just dumping him, but couldn't we use another players who can actually play?

    Scot Pollard. The most impressive thing is the picks that he laid down. The pick & roll was working great between him & Jamaal. He was a trooper cause you could tell his back was killing him. He displayed some of the old hands of stone from last year as well, but we can forgive him for that because of the way he tried at everything else. If I'm not mistaken I think he blocked Raef two times in a row.

    Austin struggled from the floor. No other way to put it. But again, as he is apt to do, when the game gets bigger the better he gets. He looked like superman coming up up & away with some of those boards in the fourth quarter & let's face it for the most part the guy is money from the foul line. He needs another low post scorer on the floor to work at his best, but he is a good enough & smart enough player to never hurt you on the floor.

    Fred Jones. He banged his knee. I nearly passed out. This guy has got serious hang time when he has a shot. Someone, I don't remember who, compared him to Dwane Wade. He's not in Wade's class, but there is a lot of similarities in their game. Kareem Rush who???? I think Fred has gone a long long way in making sure there is a role for him all season long. If Ron doesn't come back then I wouldn't be suprised to see Fred get the start over Jackson.

    Speaking of Jackson, has anybody heard from or about him since the incident? The Pacers seem awfully quiet about him.

    Mel Mel the abuser was in full force tonight. Anytime he sees Gary Payton his eyes light up & the competative juices start to flow. Just what we need another fight to break out. Did you see Pierce & Jamaal at the three point line? Either way he was the nights scoring machine & that is the way I think we will have to play these games somebody differant almost every night.

    Do you guy realize that between 7 players we broke 100 points?

    David Harrison was tired tonight. He was huffing up & down the floor almost from the begining. It's going to take some time to get into condition to play 30 plus min. a game. He still cleared out space on the floor & for the second game in a row he used his left hand around the basket. We still have to remember this was the last pick in the first round, but he still is going to be a player.

    Ed Gill. He did a decent job of shooting & although defensively he doesn't give you what A.J. does, he still isn't bad. He made a solid contribution to the floor although he wasn't specatular.

    As I said, it's not realistic to expect these results all of the time but for last night this was one of the most enjoyable games I've been to for years.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
    Tags: None
  • #2
    Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

    I love reading your reports Peck. Especially when I don't get to see a lot of these games.

    Your idea about trading Bender for an able body is intriguing now that we can see what James Jones can do. But I have to remind myself...its only been 2 games. I'm trying to envision this stellar defense that he plays? I mean, he seems to have that long body like Tayshaun...are they similar? And the guy shoots lights out - that is always good. I think if the offer is there for Bender - sure...let JJ get his. He's proven himself so far - let's hope it continues.

    And what you said about Reggie - that just makes me smile. I love the guy - he's the man. Just a class act.

    Once again - I love reading your posts Amazing as always.

    Comment

    • #3
      Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

      We've got to see more than two games from J.J. to make sure that these aren't flukes. No way do I expect the guy to average a double double. But if two weeks from now he is still playing at a high level then I say drop the hammer. Bender will never give you more than what J.J. did last night.

      As to Prince, no not IMO. God help me because I'm sure that U.B. is gonna come swinging at me for this, but truth be told J.J. has a lot of Artest like qualities as a defender. He's not nearly as physical, but he is physical & he really plays on the inside of the man with the ball. Actually now that I think about it he reminds me a lot of an old 76er & Nugget by the name of Bobby Jones in that respect. But again, it's only been two games.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

      Comment

      • #4
        Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

        Like I said a hundred times after I saw JJ for the 1st time in the summer league, he reminds me of a raw Scottie Pippen on defense. Plus he has a better shot to boot, but he has to work a lot harder to get to Pippen's level on defense.
        "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

        ----------------- Reggie Miller

        Comment

        • #5
          Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

          The amazing thing about JJ is he played power forward in college and has made the transition to SF/SG both offensively and defensively at the NBA level. The kid was a Academic All-American too.
          "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

          Comment

          • #6
            Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

            I've always been one of Bender's biggest supporters but the Pacers come first so if there is someone out that will really help the team then so be it. BUT....your statement Bender will never give you more than JJ last night maybe or maybe not. Look I know everyone HATES the word potential, by this time and so do I. What Donnie, Bird, and Carlisle see is Superstar or Bust. There are many good players in the league but few Superstars and I still think it's worth the risk because at the end of the day there are Al Harringtons, SJax, Ricky Davis and other assorted good available players you can get. The JOs, Paul Pierce difference makers do not fall in your lap everyday so you have to take that risk. If the kid wasn't still young then yes for the amount of years he's been in the league I've would have just cut him.
            You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

            Comment

            • #7
              Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

              Let's set the record straight. JJ played 44 minutes last night. 44 very good minutes, by the way. Bender has never played 44 minutes in a game and it is not fair to say he has never given us those kind of numbers.

              Was it Christmas 2 years ago that he produced an outstanding game and in a lot less time than 44 minutes??

              I am not downing JJ or his performance but ragging Bender is a little uncalled for unless you make acturate comparisons.
              I would rather be the hammer than the nail

              Comment

              • #8
                Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

                Saying that it has only been two games for J.J. so we should give Bender more time made me wonder how many full games we have seen out of Bender? Anyone know?

                Seriousley guys Jones has shown us more in two games than Bender has shown in how many years.


                I agree if we can trade Bender by all means do it.

                Comment

                • #9
                  Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

                  Excuse me but wasn't it just a matter of days or a couple of weeks ago that many had resigned to the fact that JJ should be on the IR or cut all together to make room for somrone else. Hmmm!! Let's see, which way is the wind blowing right now???
                  I would rather be the hammer than the nail

                  Comment

                  • #10
                    Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

                    Don't trade Bender no. have you ever heard of buy low and sell high. Trading him now would be a big mistake

                    Comment

                    • #11
                      Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

                      Great post Peck.

                      I am a born and bred Hoosier. I also come from the days of the ABA (obviously). Until guys like Gervin and Dr. J came into the league, the ABA WAS a lunch pail league. A lot of second chance guys getting the opportunity and, for the most part, taking advantage of it. Combine the two of these factors and, like most Indiana basketball fans, there is a sincere appreciation for just leaving it all out there on the court - win or lose. I have been critical at times for getting on players or the team for not giving that effort.

                      Throw back days is an interesting term. To nearly everyone, it means hard-nosed, honest effort work ethic. It's what we saw the past couple of games from the players. If that continues, these players will have the undying gratitude of Pacers fans young and old. Indiana basketball fans remember those things.

                      Regarding Reggie Miller. I have defended him more times than I care to count. No matter what anyone else says, Reggie IS the Pacers. It has to give the younger players an unbelievable lift to see this guy being their cheerleader.

                      We OWE Scot Pollard and Austin Croshere. To me, they are throwbacks. They have both gone through tough times with this franchise. Neither complained. Both were always ready to do their best when called upon. I'm very happy for both of them.

                      The younger players. It would not be possible for them not to NOW understand the depth of passion people have for this team and what they will get if the effort is there night in and night out. And for the fans, WOW what have we learned about the character of those guys in such a short time. To me, having the honor to put on a Pacer uniform is something special and it comes with price.

                      Now . . . Jonathan Bender. Yes, I have been hard on him. I bought into the "potential" and "best practice player" for too long. The fact is, he is too fragile to be of any long term use to this team. And, I am begining to think part of it is mental. I have come to the conclusion he feels there is no way for him to EVER live up to the "potential" tag . . . so he hides. And really, who could blame him. I understand I don't run this team, but if I did, Bender would be only ahead of Edwards on the depth chart. Given his opportunity, James Jones has delivered and has earned my respect. He has seized his opportunity where Bender never has.

                      In two games, these guys have taken a place in my heart along with the old Pacer ABA championship teams. And a few losses won't change that - as long as the effort is there. I don't doubt it will be.

                      Lastly, Rick Carlisle deserves an incredible amount of credit for what is happening. His players play for him.
                      The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

                      Comment

                      • #12
                        Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

                        Peck, you made the comment that we scored 100 points with only seven guys.

                        I'm not worried about the make-shift Pacers scoring points - we are putting guys that were major 'scorers' in college at four postions (Fred, JJ, AC, Harrison), and JT compliments those guys very well offensively. We'll put points on the board.

                        We might get in trouble, on the road, defensively. But I'm confident this lineup can fill-it-up offensively.
                        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                        And life itself, rushing over me
                        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

                        Comment

                        • #13
                          Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

                          I agree with UB, Bender is too much of a question mark to trade now. The Pacer's have to hope that he can play injury free for the second half of the year and then spin like crazy that his injuries are flukes. I suppose that you mean to trade him after the year ends because, we need him at SF for the rest of the year.

                          Comment

                          • #14
                            Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

                            Peck - I am blown away by Reggie Miller. His attitude is just unbelievable. Every time I start feeling sorry for myself I just watch him and am just so damn proud that he is our player - our faace as you said it.

                            I think he will play next year and come off the bench - anyone who ever questioned this man's ability to step back and not be the man needs to watch what he does in his suit.

                            You guys are going berzerk over James Jones - I sure hope you are right, because Bender is a bust.
                            Heywoode says... work hard man.

                            Comment

                            • #15
                              Re: Odd thoughts from the throw back days.....

                              Don't let Bender go. I think we can all agree whether he breaks out or not doesn't really effect this team's championship asperations, so just hang onto him. He's young, he could surprise, and the way the team is built, we don't need him to. If he does, it's just a HUGE pile of gravy.

                              Comment

                              Previous 1 2 template Next
                              Working...
                              X