View Poll Results: Which Pacer will be criticized the most next year?

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    Dark Horse vote for Frank Vogel if things get ugly significantly. Especially since Brian Shaw is right there next to him.

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    Roy Hibbert or Hill because of their contracts
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    I don't expect Paul George to improve as long as he's still stuck in the backcourt. Yeah, he's good enough to have on the court even when he's out of position, but he's not a top-half-of-the-league starter at SG.

    I expect Granger to get less criticism if the opportunity to trade him for Gordon is truly past. Yeah, he's a #2 option, but he's not trade bait to get a #1 option, and if he is trade bait for a #1 option, who is the #2 option.

    I expect George Hill to be better with a full-time commitment to PG.

    I expect that Hibbert will be unlucky winner of this prize. It comes with the contract. Roy will probably be my favorite player on the team either way, but expectations have risen.
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    C'mon as long as Vnzla81 draws breath how can David West not be an option?
    Does a tree make a sound if it falls in the forest but there's no one to hear? Is it really criticism if you are on ignore and no one reads you?


    Leaving out the posters who are known to be negative and critical no matter what, for most of us it will depend on how the players play. For that reason I didn't vote.

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    This is tough. It's between Danny, Hill and Hibbs. I would expect Hibbs, but I think he'll be fine. If Hill doesn't solve the pg woes, and gets benched in favor of Augustin, it could turn real ugly (I don't think that'll happen though). Granger might get some flak if he continues to shoot poorly and take bad shots.

    And then there is Hans. If he doesn't play like 2011, he'll constantly get booed every time he touches the ball.
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    Because his play at the starting pg position was average and almost everyone here wanted to see a big upgrade at the position this off season and it didn't happen. If Hill slides back to 6th man he may get saved from the bashing DC received, although his contract will still be criticized if this happens. DJ just might save Hill the agony, but I doubt it.
    He averaged 14 and 5 on very good shooting percentages as a starter last year. While not superstar numbers, those aren't average numbers, and is better production than what we got out of DC.

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    He averaged 14 and 5 on very good shooting percentages as a starter last year. While not superstar numbers, those aren't average numbers, and is better production than what we got out of DC.
    That is average numbers and I dont think a Hill vs DC needs to be debated about.
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    All are very good options...

    Roy and Hill because they got paid this summer. Danny because he isn't a superstar. And Paul because he isn't a top notch scorer.

    I don't think Hill will catch the flack because he's going to be very solid. I know a lot of people want a bigger name for a PG, or more assists numbers, but I honestly think Hill will be a good solid starter at the 1.

    In spite of his large contract, I don't think Roy will catch too much flack simply because he seemed to find himself defensively last year during the playoffs. He will never really be a go-to scorer in the post (do those exist anymore?) but he should be able to be consistent enough on the defensive side to truly be a force for this team. If he can keep his rebounding numbers up around 9-11, his 13-14 points should be more than enough...when you take into consideration his ability to protect the rim.

    I think it'll come down to Danny and Paul. Danny because he isn't a superstar, and Paul because he isn't a dominant scorer.

    I think our expectations for Paul are already bloated, and most will feel disappointed when he ends up being a better shooting Andre Iguodala (which is what I think his ceiling is).

    Even though Danny continues to be a team player and shoot less in an effort to allow other teammates to get more shots, the "trade Danny now" train will arrive eventually. If he isn't scoring in the 20's, or holding team meetings following a tough loss, posters will be all over him for not "leading this team".
    I'll go with Danny.

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    That is average numbers and I dont think a Hill vs DC needs to be debated about.
    What would you consider above average? If a player is averaging more than 14 and 5, he's probably an all-star.

    J. Holliday: 13 and 4
    M. Conley 13 and 6

    Those are two names that are constantly brought up as would-be upgrades, and their numbers are pretty much the same. Are they giving average production also?

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    I hope it is one of these guys. What seems to happen more often and I don't think it is right is we spend time criticizing the 8th, 9th and 10th best players on the roster and not the best two or three players. A team is only as good as its best players.

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    Paul George for sure. It's really going to hit him how good Paul George actually is and that will be disappointing to folks.
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    I hope it is one of these guys. What seems to happen more often and I don't think it is right is we spend time criticizing the 8th, 9th and 10th best players on the roster and not the best two or three players. A team is only as good as its best players.
    True. Now if people can stop hyping up the bench players as being anything more than somebody to come in the game and give some production until the starters are ready to return.
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    I hope it is one of these guys. What seems to happen more often and I don't think it is right is we spend time criticizing the 8th, 9th and 10th best players on the roster and not the best two or three players. A team is only as good as its best players.
    As I do agree with you, I must say they all have a job to do and should not be exempt cause of a lesser role.
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    What would you consider above average? If a player is averaging more than 14 and 5, he's probably an all-star.

    J. Holliday: 13 and 4
    M. Conley 13 and 6

    Those are two names that are constantly brought up as would-be upgrades, and their numbers are pretty much the same. Are they giving average production also?
    All average starting pg in the league. None of them will take a game over, let alone in the playoffs.
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    All average starting pg in the league. None of them will take a game over, let alone in the playoffs.
    Okay well then yes, I agree with you there. Normally only superstars and/or All-stars take games over though (especially in the playoffs). I don't think George will ever be an all-star type player, but just because he isn't an all star, I still consider him "above average". We just have a different definition of average.

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    Danny "the next Reggie Miller" Granger should get all the criticism he should get, he has been getting worse every year now.

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    Okay well then yes, I agree with you there. Normally only superstars and/or All-stars take games over though (especially in the playoffs). I don't think George will ever be an all-star type player, but just because he isn't an all star, I still consider him "above average". We just have a different definition of average.
    Good possiblity on our thinking of average, but I do believe that One can be above average and not make the All Stars but once if not at all in their career. If any of those 3 can get there, over the hump if you will, it would be Holiday imo.
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    C'mon as long as Vnzla81 draws breath how can David West not be an option?
    "The next Reggie Miller" should get criticize more than a player that at the end of the day not much is expected out of him.

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    I hope it is one of these guys. What seems to happen more often and I don't think it is right is we spend time criticizing the 8th, 9th and 10th best players on the roster and not the best two or three players. A team is only as good as its best players.
    I agree with this, talking about Lance, Plumlee, Mcbob, Solo, etc, is such a waste of time is not even funny.

    It looks to me that the reason why what you are suggesting doesn't happen is that many see the Pacers starters through their blue and gold glasses, it's easier to criticize the last guy that nobody cares about off the bench than a guy who has a big fan base because of area55, or the "new Tmac", or the "all star who's numbers are down because he is taking one for the team", etc.

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    Too bad "Who ever Vnzla picks" isn't an option for the poll.

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    Hibbert will be under the spotlight now with his large contract. The Pacers had no choice but to give Hibbert the contract and make the gamble that he would continue to get better. If he doesn't continue the year to year improvement that he's shown then it will be a major disappointment. If he goes on one of his cold streaks then there will be a lot of criticism pointed his way.

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    Good possiblity on our thinking of average, but I do believe that One can be above average and not make the All Stars but once if not at all in their career. If any of those 3 can get there, over the hump if you will, it would be Holiday imo.
    He's both the youngest nd most talented out of the bunch.

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    Too bad "Who ever Vnzla picks" isn't an option for the poll.
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    I don't expect Paul George to improve as long as he's still stuck in the backcourt. Yeah, he's good enough to have on the court even when he's out of position, but he's not a top-half-of-the-league starter at SG.

    I expect Granger to get less criticism if the opportunity to trade him for Gordon is truly past. Yeah, he's a #2 option, but he's not trade bait to get a #1 option, and if he is trade bait for a #1 option, who is the #2 option.

    I expect George Hill to be better with a full-time commitment to PG.

    I expect that Hibbert will be unlucky winner of this prize. It comes with the contract. Roy will probably be my favorite player on the team either way, but expectations have risen.
    Why is Paul George not a SG? You are who you can guard and he can guard SG's, SF's are more of a problem.

    I think Paul rates higher in the league at SG than at SF. You have Kobe, Wade, J. Johnson, Harden besides that Paul arguably is right after those guys. At SF that list is much longer ahead of Paul.
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    Like always

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