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    Interesting stuff in here. NYK, Dallas unreal. Pacers middle of the pack. 7 teams have never paid the tax.

    http://blog.shamsports.com/2012/07/w...ven-teams.html


    2002/032003/042005/062006/072007/082008/092009/102010/112011/12TOTAL
    Atlanta3,716,000       666,1994,382,199
    Boston 1,594,066  8,218,3688,294,66414,928,6625,692,5867,365,86746,094,213
    Brooklyn/New Jersey5,730,0009,390,383       15,120,383
    Charlotte         0
    Chicago         0
    Cleveland    14,008,56113,707,01015,410,550  43,126,121
    Dallas18,500,00025,031,93217,329,3247,204,96819,613,29523,611,66117,582,57418,917,8362,738,843150,530,433
    Denver   2,022,41813,572,079 5,562,942  21,157,439
    Detroit 756,627       756,627
    Golden State         0
    Houston       757,145 757,145
    Indiana892,0003,323,0594,674,028      8,889,087
    L.A. Clippers         0
    L.A. Lakers9,749,0008,439,051  5,131,7577,185,63121,430,77819,923,77212,557,26484,417,253
    Memphis7,554,000 3,743,452      11,297,452
    Miami5,180,000   8,318,879 3,039,769 6,129,34022,667,988
    Milwaukee4,734,000        4,734,000
    Minnesota6,026,00017,633,006 998,536     24,657,542
    New Orleans         0
    New York24,371,00039,867,21437,248,75245,142,00219,723,94623,736,2075,199,024  195,288,145
    Oklahoma City/Seattle         0
    Orlando  7,757,500   11,046,59520,147,413 38,951,508
    Philadelphia12,759,0005,098,635       17,857,635
    Phoenix1,888,000   3,867,3134,918,1364,958,790  15,632,239
    Portland51,971,00028,846,436   5,899,356 2,335,682 89,052,474
    Sacramento17,377,00013,141,745       30,518,745
    San Antonio187,000 889,895196,082  8,810,302 2,514,27512,597,554
    Toronto2,681,0004,090,836       6,771,836
    Utah      3,105,3724,998,247 8,103,619
    Washington         0
               
    Total173,315,000157,212,99071,642,95155,564,00692,454,19887,352,665111,075,35872,772,68131,971,788853,361,637
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    Not particularly surprised at the teams that have never paid the tax. For the most part those teams either had down years with low payrolls since the tax was instituted or have got players still on rookie deals. OKC is the exception but I think they only have Durant's immediate post rookie deal (is Westbrook on his second contract yet?)
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    Portland has also been paying an awful lot for a team that hasn't really gone anywhere...
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    Clips, Bobkitties, Warriors, Hornets, and Wizards haven't paid lux tax --- real shocker there.

    Bulls and Thunder are surprising, though.

    All the recent champs have considerable lux tax #s.

    And then you have the f'n NY Knicks showing that they are the most poorly managed team in the league. I consider them a money-spending aberation. Notice, however that their lux tax tapered off considerably in last few years, thanks in part to one Donald Walsh.

    Generally shows that you just kinda gotta spend money to win the big prize.
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    Not sure describing the Pacers as "middle of the pack" is accurate since the list is so heavily skewed by the heavy spenders. But yeah it does show that the Simons were willing to go into the tax (in the past, anyway).

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    Not particularly surprised at the teams that have never paid the tax. For the most part those teams either had down years with low payrolls since the tax was instituted or have got players still on rookie deals. OKC is the exception but I think they only have Durant's immediate post rookie deal (is Westbrook on his second contract yet?)
    Chicago stands out as a surprise team. They're pretty much a big market, and they had those strong seasons under Skiles, reaching the ECF I believe. They'll finally be paying tax this year though.

    Warriors, Clippers, and Wizards all play in fairly big markets, but yeah they were mostly stuck in perpetual rebuilds. The Sonics did have a WCF season under McMillan, but they tore the team down pretty soon afterwards.

    Portland's tax bill is kind of shocking. I know Paul Allen is made of money, but it's still higher than the Lakers' tax bill

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    Wow Portland paid $51M in '03.

    Lakers got a pretty good return on their luxury tax payments, so did the Spurs. The Knicks got a horrible return. if i were a rich owner, I could live with paying some luxury tax if it is worth it. if we win a championship and are selling out and maximizing revenue, OK. But if we are .500 and tickets are unsold, then I would be furious at the front office.

    Also interesting that the tax payments overall across the league were really high in '03 then dropped through the middle years and then spiked back up again in 2010.

    Anyone know the 2011 and 2012 season numbers.
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    OK here is a current article on the luxury tax through the 2012 season

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/stor...-significantly

    Luxury tax payouts drop significantly

    Published 1 hour and 31 minutes ago Last updated 1 hour and 20 minutes ago
    Jerry Snow Sporting News

    The NBA’s luxury tax seems to be serving its purpose.

    Implemented in 2002 in an effort to discourage over-spending and give smaller markets a better chance to compete, the luxury tax fines those who exceed the cap and distributes the funds to the teams who stay under the roughly $60 million they are allowed to pay out each season.

    In 2012, six teams combined to pay nearly $32 million in the tax, according to a comprehensive spreadsheet compiled by Mark Deeks of ShamSports.com, and the other 24 teams divided that as revenue.

    It’s the lowest luxury tax total to date, down from $72.77 million in 2011 and $111.8 million in 2010.

    In 2003, the first year of the luxury tax, 16 teams combined to pay a total of $173.315 million. The following year, 12 teams were over the cap and paid out $157.21 million.
    Since 2005, an average of 7.4 teams have been penalized.

    The Miami Heat paid $6.12 million in luxury tax to win the world title this summer, while runner-up Oklahoma City is one of seven franchises that has never paid a dollar.
    The Thunder have a youthful roster that could contend for many years to come, and that was next to impossible for a market the size of OKC a decade ago.

    The L.A. Lakers paid a league-high $12.56 million in luxury tax after last season.
    Boston has paid more than $46 million since bringing in Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett in 2007, including $7.37 million this year.

    The Celtics won the NBA title in 2008, and the Mavericks got the same return on their $18.92 million tax hit in 2011.

    The Knicks, on the other hand, have nothing to show for spending a league-most $195.29 million in luxury taxes since 2003.

    New York has avoided the luxury tax the past two-years, but paid out a record $45.14 million in 2006-07 for a 33-49 season.

    Over the past decade, 23 NBA teams have combined to pay $853.36 million in luxury taxes.


    Dallas has paid out the second-highest at $150.12 million, and the Lakers are third at $84.42 million.

    In addition to OKC, teams that have avoided the luxury tax since its inception include: Charlotte, Chicago, Golden State, New Orleans, Washington and the Clippers.

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    ^ That article has a factual error. It says Lakers are third in lux tax with $84m, but Sham' original list says Portland is at $89m.

    Detroit and Houston are also worth mentioning. They've paid a measly amount of tax for teams that have been in the playoffs the better part of the past decade, including a championship and a Finals appearance by the Larry Brown Pistons. That's amazing.

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    ^ That article has a factual error. It says Lakers are third in lux tax with $84m, but Sham' original list says Portland is at $89m.

    Detroit and Houston are also worth mentioning. They've paid a measly amount of tax for teams that have been in the playoffs the better part of the past decade, including a championship and a Finals appearance by the Larry Brown Pistons. That's amazing.
    With the new collective bargaining agreement it will be very interesting to see of the playing field levels. Based on the past 2-3 years it looks like the overall tax payments have gone down dramatically each year.
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    You would think with all the money Dolan has spent, he'd have a ring.

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    Portland has also been paying an awful lot for a team that hasn't really gone anywhere...
    I can't believe they paid Scottie Pippen so much...

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    Portland really shouldn't be all that surprising because of when they paid the tax, well at least the vast majority of it. Back then they were a competitive team, or at least were a competitive team on the down hill side of things.

    This graph really shows that unless you draft a superstar or two (Thunder and Bulls, both of which will most likely be paying the tax soon if they want to continue to be as good as they are now), or are just terribly managed (Knicks), there is a correlation between spending and winning.
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    Clips, Bobkitties, Warriors, Hornets, and Wizards haven't paid lux tax --- real shocker there.

    Bulls and Thunder are surprising, though.
    Clips, Warriors, Bulls and Wiz should all be considered "surprising" to some extent because those are all big market teams that have NEVER paid the tax.

    At the end of the day, it speaks more about how rich and/or willing to spend the ownership is.

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    Story up here is that the Bulls remain committed to avoid paying the tax. Reisendorf is one cheap guy. Boozer's contract is obviously a challenge for them, but the front office never missed Ben Gordon/ his contract either.
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    During the two highest total luxury tax years, the Pacers were payers instead of sharers. Ouch. That may be when we learned our lesson.

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    Clips, Warriors, Bulls and Wiz should all be considered "surprising" to some extent because those are all big market teams that have NEVER paid the tax.

    At the end of the day, it speaks more about how rich and/or willing to spend the ownership is.
    Each of those teams (with the exception of GSW) have had #1 overall draft picks and have had a lot of players who were on rookie contracts during the past 10 seasons. All 4 of those teams will be up against the tax threshold soon unless they can shed some salary.
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    Simon at least, is willing to go moderately over the Tax if he smells a chance at a championship. If we make the ECF it will be interesting to see if Simon would green light a key piece to take us up the hump, even if it goes a bit above the tax.

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    With teams such as Portland and NY well into the tax and a team like San Antonio who wins and isn't heavy in taxes it seems that $$$ doesn't exactly equal wins like baseball.

    This is why I wasn't freaking out we didn't take home run swings at guys like OJ Mayo.

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    With teams such as Portland and NY well into the tax and a team like San Antonio who wins and isn't heavy in taxes it seems that $$$ doesn't exactly equal wins like baseball.

    This is why I wasn't freaking out we didn't take home run swings at guys like OJ Mayo.
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    Portland putting $80m out in 2 years trying to hold on to the end of the Jailblazers....brutal. But after that it's barely been a blip so they don't really match the totals list in the way the Knicks, Lakers, Mavs and Celtics do which are the "spending" teams traditionally.

    But you also see truths about the Pacers (willing to spend when needed) and the Cavs (clearly did try to pay to put a team with Lebron), as well as the Spurs (pay a little but do smart things to avoid huge costs too). And really for all the ripping on Walsh, look at the change in the Knicks lux tax the last few years. That's a lot of salary relief that was badly needed.



    Reminder on those 02-03 52m lux tax Blazers - 50 wins, lost in first round to Dallas.

    Sheed (17m)
    Bonzi (6m)
    Pippen (20m for an 11-4-4 guy)
    Derek Anderson (7m)
    ZBo (1m, rookie deal, but didn't he punch Patterson in the face this year?)
    Damon Stoudamire (12m)
    Dale Davis (8m)
    Ruben Patterson (5m)
    Sabonis (7m and virtually retired by this point)
    Chris Dudley and his 11 min played (but only 1m)
    and 3m each for Antonio Daniels and Jeff McInnis


    Just a terribly constructed team. And oh by the way, by this point they were watching JO make the all-star team for the Pacers (his 2nd), win EC player of the month twice (JAN, APR), make his 2nd All-NBA 3rd team, and be one year away from 3rd in MVP voting. It probably goes without saying that NO Blazer in that year, the prior year or the following year made one of the 3 All-NBA teams, not even Sheed.

    Unfortunately this actually came back to bite the Pacers when the Blazers were forced to do salary cut trades and moved Sheed out, only to see him get the instant retrade (which was made illegal in the next CBA) to the Pistons, pushing them past the Pacers in the ECF for the upset series win. OTOH, it's also how the Pacers got Dale Davis back on the cheap, but the impact wasn't the same.


    * note that one of the items the Pistons traded ended up being a #4 Josh Smith draft pick for Atlanta.
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    The Knicks can't even buy a championship...

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    There is no 2004/2005?

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