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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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Where Do Rebounds Go?

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  • Where Do Rebounds Go?

    Here’s a basic basketball question: if a player misses a 3-point shot from the left corner, where will the rebound go? The answer to this question has obvious competitive advantages, regardless of whether you are playing a pick-up game at the park or you are playing in the gold-medal game of the Olympics.

    So what’s the answer? Where do missed corner 3′s end up? Thanks to SportVu data, we can now answer this question. I plotted and analyzed the rebounding locations for over 26,000 missed shots from the 2011-2012 NBA season, including about 1,800 missed corner 3′s. When an NBA player misses a corner 3 from his left side, the rebounds go here:
    The spatial structure above is undeniable; missed corner 3′s go to the opposite side much more frequently than they ricochet back toward their origin. In fact, the most common location for a missed corner 3 rebound is just south of the college “low block” on the opposite side. Rebounds land there about 5X more often than they do at the corresponding location near the other block.

    So, where do rebounds happen? It depends. It depends on shot location, rebounder positioning, and rebounder athleticism. In this article I examine the interactions between shot location and rebounding location in the NBA. I think I’ve found some interesting results that are likely to change the ways you think about rebounding and boxing out.

    This interactive graphic reveals** where rebounds go according to shot location. As you mouse over different sections of the court, the rebounding signatures change:

    (NOTE: This isn't part of the article. The interactive graphic wouldn't post, so follow the link.)


    I will provide much more detail later, but here are 4 main takeaways:

    1. Rebounds go to “the other side” – when a field goal is attempted from the baseline or wing areas and it misses, chances are the rebound will occur on the opposite side of the rim. How much to the other side depends on where the shot was taken (shot angle, shot direction).

    2. Offensive rebounding percentage for jump shots hovers between 20 and 25%; however, missed shots closer to the rim such as floaters, put-backs, and layups result in a much higher offensive rebounding rate.

    3. There is a direct relationship between shot distance and rebound distance. The longer the shot attempt, the further away from the rim the rebound is likely to occur. The corresponds with the idea that 3-point shots often result in “long rebounds”.

    4. In the NBA, 3-point shots are much better options than midrange shots for 2 reasons: 1) The decreased FG% is more than compensated by a higher reward in terms of points per attempt, and 2) not only do made 3-point shots obviously result in more points, missed 3-pointers are more likely to result in offensive rebounds than missed midrange jumpshots. Midrange jumpers kill possessions more and result in points less.

    The microgeography of missed field goals:

    About 65% of the time an NBA player takes a jumper, a future rebound gets its wings. As a result, everytime a shooter rises to take a jump shot, other players begin “fighting for position” – but, where should they fight to get?

    First of all, we already know that most rebounds occur near the basket, which is one main justification for the common coaching tenet of boxing out: keep your opponent further away from the rim, and you’ll increase your chance of acquiring a rebound. That may seem obvious, but since the origin of the rebound is almost always a ricochet off some part of the rim/backboard apparatus, and a rebound’s trajectory is generally toward the paint, it makes sense that the person closest to the rim apparatus at the time of the ricochet has the best chance of grabbing the ball.

    But positioning wisdom involves more than distance; it involves direction as well.

    This concept is best illustrated with baseline shot attempts. Let’s look at the relationship between rebounding locations and shot locations near the baseline. We’ll begin with longish midrange baseline shots. The following image shows where rebounds go when these shots are missed. The yellow highlighted area is the shot zone; the red area is the “rebounding epicenter,” or the area on the court where rebounds are most frequently collected when shots are missed from that shot zone.

    As you can see, when an NBA player misses a shot from the baseline, the rebound most frequently occurs on the opposite side of the rim; for visual confirmation, here’s the rebounding signature for baseline shots on the opposite side:



    Check out the rebounding epicenter here: when a player misses a longish midrange baseline shot, rebounds are most commonly grabbed at the edge of the “restricted area” on the opposite side of the rim. When we step back to the corner-3 zones, we see the exact same effect – the only difference is that the rebounding epicenter occurs a bit further from the rim… longer shots beget longer rebounds, you guys.




    You can see that the rebounding epicenter for missed corner threes is clearly outside the restricted area, and very close to the “low block” on a college basketball court.
    Let’s contrast that with some other midrange shots, which result in very different rebounding patterns. When we examine rebounding signatures for shots closer to the middle of the floor we see the epicenter venture back inside the restricted area. The whole “opposite-side-of-the-rim” effect still applies, but is much less drastic; compared to baseline attempts, centralized jump shots beget more centralized rebounding signatures.



    Conclusion

    Using the information here we can contemplate the confluence of FG%, points per attempt, and offensive rebounding %; we can begin to think about shot selection in the NBA from a more informed plateau. With this in mind, the midrange jumper is the least efficient shot in basketball, it results in the fewest points and also kills possessions at the highest rates. Does this mean midrange shots are always foolish? Of course not, many of the NBA’s best teams like Boston, Miami, and Oklahoma City effectively use the midrange shot on a frequent basis. Regardless, league-wide the efficiency of a shot cannot simply be judged by its expected point total; we must also consider the offensive rebounding rate, which determines whether a given possession ends or whether the offense gets another try. With this in mind, getting shots near the rim has a double-benefit: 1) close shots have a higher FG%, and 2) missed close shots more commonly result in second and third chances for the offense.


    Rebounding is one of the most important facets of basketball. According to the guru, Dr. Dean Oliver, rebounding is one of the most important 4 components of basketball, yet to this point we know little about it. However, thanks to emerging data and analytics, we are beginning to change that.

    I wanted to thank the nice folks at Stats Inc., especially Brian Kopp and Ryan Warkins, for their help with this project. Thanks to SportVu data we can now analyze basketball in exciting new ways. As the NBA enters its own version of the ‘Big Data’ era, we all benefit. Optical tracking data will enable analysts to understand basketball and communicate about basketball in transformative new ways. This data will not only feed the addictions of NBA geeks like me, but they also will help everyone learn a little more about basketball basics. There is an exciting new opportunity for analytics to go beyond helping one team beat another team, but to help the community at-large acquire fundamental knowledge about the game we all love.




    Nothing really earthshattering here. Shots result in weakside rebounds. The interactive graphic is pretty cool. Shows that 40% of all shots come inside the lane. 55.4% result in made field goals, while 35% of the misses result in offensive rebounds.

    I know people scoff at the idea of "smashmouth basketball" but those reasons right there is why there is such an important emphasis on getting the ball inside and keeping it inside.
    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

  • #2
    Re: Where Do Rebounds Go?

    Rebounds go nowhere when Troy Murphy steals them.


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    • #3
      Re: Where Do Rebounds Go?

      Pretty cool work.

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      • #4
        Re: Where Do Rebounds Go?

        Anywhere but in Tyler Hanbrough's hands?
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #5
          Re: Where Do Rebounds Go?

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          Rebounds go nowhere when Troy Murphy steals them.
          Is it bad that was also the first thing that came to my mind?
          "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

          "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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          • #6
            Re: Where Do Rebounds Go?

            I knew most of this. Mainly because I liked to watch Jeff Foster work. As the shot start to go up, he's settling in the red zone while shoving someone on the other team into the white zone.

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            • #7
              Re: Where Do Rebounds Go?

              Basically backs up the old philosophy of the ball coming off the other side of the rim. If the shooter is at the top of the key, then the ball is probably coming off the front of the rim.

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