I like how you claim I'm usually wrong with no facts to back it up other than you believing your opinion is Gospel.
But as someone else pointed, you don't use facts unless they support your opinion.
Knicks, Celtics, Heat, and Nets all made significant improvements to their teams. The Pacers didn't. At best our bench is a bit better, but that's it. It's clear now that the most we were ever going to do was re-sign Hibbert and Hill along with some tinkering here and there. I think Bird left because we weren't willing to give him the green light and reach for the stars.
So I'm pretty "meh".
Last edited by Sollozzo; 07-20-2012 at 09:42 PM.
Knicks improved??? Only because Woodson took over. Not like they improved their roster. What two good players did Boston add? And if you say Courtney Lee... no. They did get Jeff Green back though.
Well, the Celtics were already better than the Pacers last season. As far as their recent moves are concerned, Jason Terry is a better player than Ray Allen and is two years younger. Also, Boston didn't even have Avery Bradley, Jeff Green, and Chris Wilcox for their deep playoff run last year. If those guys stay healthy and if KG and Pierce can maintain the same level of production as last year, then Boston will be an even better team than the one that just made the ECF's.
The Knicks have a much more talented roster than the Pacers. That obviously doesn't mean everything as they still have to prove that they can mesh for an entire season. But they just added Raymond Felton, Jason Kidd, and Marcus Camby. Felton was incredible in NY during the first half of 10-11. Kidd is ancient, but all they need him to do is play backup minutes and be a locker room mentor with his championship experience. He will still have those moments where he makes great plays. Camby played in almost every game last year and still averaged 9 boards. He will be extremely valuable in a playoff series. The Knicks could frustrate Roy quite a bit in a playoff series by throwing Chandler and Camby at him.
Celtics are better, I agree.
The Heat are the same. Ray Allen is an upgrade, but as long as LeBron is LeBron they are the rulers of the roost.
The Nets are better, but they were horrendous last year so they have quite a bit of ground to make up.
I'm meh on our moves too, but I think the Eastern Conference pecking order goes: 1. Miami 2. Boston/Indiana 3. Everyone else. Of course if the Bulls can tread water long enough and sneak into the playoffs with Derrick Rose at 75% they are sneaky.
Washed up or not, Camby averaged 9 rebounds while playing almost every game last season. He's been doing that for a while now. Like Kidd, they will just be hoping that he can give them some valuable minutes off of the bench. His presence and defense could be extremely valuable in a playoff series against a guy like Hibbert
Holdin the thumb call til I see the team in action. Plenty I like (Mahinmi, Roy, Green) and plenty I need to be sold on (Augustin, Plumlee, Hill) but nothing I flat out disagree with.
going to reserve judgement until i see this team perform. I will say I miss Legend in the FO and hope he returns after a brief hiatus.
One thing I do not like about the FO is still am not clear on who has final say. I believe it is Walsh correct.
Regarding moves. No complaints except going after Brand and moving Hansbrough. However, I do believe Hansbrough will play better next to Mahinmi. When Foster played with Hansbrough he played well.
Overall I feel the pacers have taken a step in the positive direction. Glad to see the Pacers are willing to spend above the cap.
Hill is not overpaid pacer fans. by year 5 Hill will be a bargain for us. I am willing to see us pay an average of 8M for one of the best 6th men in the league.
Have we resigned Barbosa?
I think we are a more balanced and athletic team. Each players role is understood and a better bench will push the starters to improve as well.
I thought the moves made by the Pacers were pretty good. We didn't shoot ourselves in the foot by over paying for some free agent who will be a big disappointment. We have a good core and have improved the bench. I believe that having a full preseason will help us a great deal. I also believe that some people on this board would only be happy if the Pacers win a championship by sweeping all the games in the playoffs. Hope we can have another good season this year.
If anyone thinks it'll EVER be any different for the Pacers they need to find another team to root for. I've excepted it.
We have to stay competitive, even if some call that "middling". We have to have winning seasons and playoff appearances to put people in the seats. Years in the lottery means the team will not last.... here.
Then we can only hope for a team like Reggie's finals team or hope for a great starting 5 and a good bench aka the Piston's championship. We even had a team that could have beat the Piston's if our players could have stayed sane.
People need to get it through their heads, they'll be no "super" team in Indy.
"Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"
I definitely give it a thumbs up. Not a resounding thumbs up, but a thumbs up none the less.
When you over spend paying Hibbert and Hill almost 22 mil for this season after paying them less than 5 mil combined last season that took up 17 mil of the cap space.
Being able to add Green , Augustin and Mahinmi for a combined 11 mil and trading Collison and Jones' 5.5 mil deal was about the best you could expect for what little cap space remained after over paying Roy and Hill.
Overall the team was improved just wish Hibbert and Hill could have been signed much cheaper.
The team has rehired Donnie Do Nothing Walsh and all but confirmed ownership is onboard with staying out of FA as a way to aggressively take the team to the next level. I'd say this offseason could not have thrown anymore cold water on my hopes for the team and the upcoming season. I've went from anxiously wanting to see what happens next to "meh"....
The Pacers off season has done a great job of getting me to care more about the Colts upcoming season.
Donnie Do Nothing Walsh back? Really? Blah!
Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."
I thought this offseason has been a very good one for the Pacers. I like that we kept our starting five and added young athletic players to our bench. As much as I was concerned about losing DC and Dahntay I was just as pleased with what we got in exchange. We got a young big who is strong and then the signings of Green and Augustin made my day. I think we will be seeing another DJ than he was at his prior team because he will be asked more to run the offense and distribute to our scorers. So what that we didn't get any flashy FA's but I didn't think we were even closely in their list of possible teams. I also hope that Tyler will improve from last year and I think with the floor spacing better he will improve. I can't wait to see our new look bench and see the season begin.