Last edited by PacersFan1991; 07-19-2012 at 11:13 PM.
I love to see him go to the West and i already hate the Lakers. Perfect match..
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Blech. That's just gross. I should have grabbed some rum to shoot after reading that article; left such a bad taste in my mouth. That whole thing about the Lakers "always figured he would commit to staying with the franchise once he experienced being part of a championship culture" is sickening. Trading to the Lakers gives them, what, 2-3 years to contend for a championship? Nash will either decline or retire, and if Kobe's limbs haven't started falling off by that point, there may be no (basketball) god(s). I'm not rooting for it, just saying that Howard is young, and the new epi-center of that team, and Kobe and Nash have to quit sometime.
What happens afterward? The Lakers just trade around to find pieces that fit well next to Howard? That's what Orlando tried to do, and failed. It's a given that Howard's mentality is lacking a bit to be THE MAN, even with a "championship culture" training him to be such. Of course, the second they take OKC to seven games in the WCF, people will say the Laker's GM (name escapes me) should have deserved Executive of the Year (if he hadn't won it already).
However, the plus side is, we don't have to deal with Dwight as often per season, as he's out of the Eastern Conference. However, that puts a damper on the whole squad when we FINALLY beat the Heat to get to the Finals for the first time in years, and Roy has to face off against D12, PG against Kobe, Hill/Augustin against Nash. I'd love to see it happen, regardless. It just scares me. The Lakers have always scared me. And Orlando's about to lose another prized big man to LA once again. I smell riots. Glad I'm not back in Orlando for this to be happening around me. Whew.
When Kobe retires they'll clear cap or make a trade of some sort. You can build around Dwight without Kobe and Nash, but the Magic are just bad at it.
I'm just glad that this is over with.
Steve Nash gets his own personal dream team, and it has a shelf life of 2-3 years, though my guess is they won't have a real shot at the finals past this season.
in 4 years, Kobe, Gasol and Nash are probably all gone, and Dwight is back where he started.
The fun question is where does Bynum end up, Houston, Cleveland or Orlando?
Last edited by Kstat; 07-19-2012 at 06:28 AM.
The bad part about the deal is Bynum to Cleveland. They are already going to be better with Kyrie Irving having a year to get better. Now add Bynum they could be a good pair going forward. Both could end up all-stars in the east this year.
I wanted Houston to get Dwight, so Bynum won't be coming to Cleveland.
Last edited by pacers74; 07-19-2012 at 06:32 AM.
If this goes down, next season the conference finals will be unbelievable. OKC-Lakers and MIA-Boston/Indiana. And both conferences have legitimate spoiler teams (Clips, Grizz out West and Nets, Knicks in the East) that could be better than we expect. I have no problem with Dwight going to LA, I'm excited for it.
I'm all for Bynum to Cleveland. Make the division matchups fun again.
Howard has shown a complete lack of class in the way he's conducted himself for the past year in attempting to force a trade. He's became one of my least favorite players. It really sucks that he gets his way in the end and another big market team lands another star. The new cba helps a little with the end of the sign and trade to include Bird rights so players have to push for a trade before their contracts expire to still get what they want.
Nash will be finished before Kobe and Kobe will start to decline soon. Howard may not be the same player this year and they may wish that they'd kept Bynum, back problems in a big man are a concern. I'm not convinced they'll get past OKC next year and the following year they'll have approx. 82 mil tied up in 5 players. Even if they amnesty Artest they'll be in very heavy LT penalties when the new tax kicks in.
he's not getting his way. He desperately wanted to avoid going to LA.
LA isn't exactly getting him cheap, either. The fact they are a big market really doesn't play into this at all.
Good for him...
Why so SERIOUS
Well, there goes the neighborhood.
How stupid is Orlando?
Trading Dwight Howard is their only option. But to trade him and let a 3rd team get the clear-cut 2nd best center in the league, instead of taking him on themselves makes very little sense.
Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.
especially since houston is very willing to take on bynum, extension or not.
Allow me to play devil's advocate for a minute and let's just say Bynum agrees to go to Orlando. Since this is the last year of his contract, the Magic will have to commit long-term to Andrew Bynum at a price very close to what Dwight Howard was making/will make (aka, the max). Howard is almost universally viewed as the better player, but by how much is a subject of debate. Regardless of this skill differential, Bynum will cost roughly the same as Howard. Now, Bynum is almost two years younger and has played one less season than Howard, and in terms of "mileage", Howard has more than twice as many minutes and games played than his potential successor. This may not be to Bynum's advantage, however, as Howard has only missed 19 (regular season) games whereas Bynum missed over 130 games to a combination of suspension and injury.
I won't argue that Dwight Howard's popularity in Orlando is great at the present moment, but he was a very marketable star from his rookie season until last year. He had dominant on-court skills and an effervescent off-court personality to match. Bynum, on the other hand, has a miscreant's reputation in this league. Perhaps he's just living in Kobe's shadow right now in L.A., but I'm not sure that the same marketing opportunities exist for him.
All that leaves us with one question for Magic ownership/management: Do you continue to try building around a dominant post-player in a very clearly guard-oriented league despite five good years of coming up short - and now with a weaker centerpiece?
I could see the reasoning both ways, but I'd rather try my hand at the draft lottery than risk another 5+ years of mediocrity with Bynum.
Last edited by LoneGranger33; 07-19-2012 at 09:47 AM. Reason: Forgot an "N"
How are the Lakers always able to pull off these deals...
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
And is anybody getting fired in Houston if they don't get Howard or Bynum? what a joke if they don't end up with anybody
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I understand that, but their alternative if they can't get him to agree to an extension, is a complete and total rebuild.
If Bynum doesn't decide to re-up with Orlando, and goes elsewhere in free agency, then you begin the same complete and total rebuild at that point. You're starting a year later, but essentially the same goal is accomplished, and at least you've taken a shot at acquiring one of the best assets in the league.
Last edited by Mackey_Rose; 07-19-2012 at 09:20 AM.
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