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Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

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  • #16
    Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
    I totally agree he is ready to play now. He played awful in SL yes but what I saw on tape I think he will do fine this year in the role we need him to play. Judging a guy on 5 SL games playing with guys he has never played with and not knowing where he will get his shots isnt a smart way to judge if a guy is ready IMO. I still question his separation ability but for the role we need him to play that wont be an issue.
    Agreed. We know he can shoot, so his fg% in SL is the last thing we should be paying attention to.

    And dleague is the last place he should be. He needs to be around our coaching staff.
    "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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    • #17
      Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

      The only place OJ is ready to play is the playground. Both Lance and Paul George are younger and better options. Then we have Green and Granger who are a bit older, but much better. Not to mention George Hill will probably get some minutes at SG with Lance or DJ at the point...and there are no minutes for a guy who cannot hit the broad side of a barn.

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      • #18
        Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        The only place OJ is ready to play is the playground. Both Lance and Paul George are younger and better options. Then we have Green and Granger who are a bit older, but much better. Not to mention George Hill will probably get some minutes at SG with Lance or DJ at the point...and there are no minutes for a guy who cannot hit the broad side of a barn.
        This just makes you look ignorant how can a guy who shoots 41% 3pt shooting in his last 2 years of college not hit the broad side of a barn . Especially considering most of the shots he took in college where heavily contested because he was the only good player on his team. I just dont get how people overreact or short sided especially considering you have never seen him play a real game. SL is about as close to an NBA game as the Drew League or the Indy Pro AM. I was surprised at how selfish he looked in the SL(actually not really it is the SL most players try to do way to much) he was so unselfish in college and played really smart most of the time. He just tried to do way to much and impress people give him time he will show why he is a good player.

        Right now he and Gerald Green our the best wing shooters off the bench

        This would be like saying Danny is the worst player in the NBA because he went 2-20 in the Twolves game a few years ago just doesn't make any sense.



        This reminds me of the guys who always told me Brandon Rush cant shoot or a bad shooter the argument is just
        Last edited by pacer4ever; 07-14-2012, 03:48 PM.

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        • #19
          Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
          This just makes you look ignorant how can a guy who shoots 41% 3pt shooting in his last 2 years of college not hit the broad side of a barn . Especially considering most of the shots he took in college where heavily contested because he was the only good player on his team. I just dont get how people overreact or short sided especially considering you have never seen him play a real game. SL is about as close to an NBA game as the Drew League or the Indy Pro AM.

          Right now he and Gerald Green our the best wing shooters off the bench

          This would be like saying Danny is the worst player in the NBA because he went 2-20 in the Twolves game a few years ago just doesn't make any sense.



          This reminds me of the guys who always told me Brandon Rush cant shoot or a bad shooter the argument is just
          So he is ignorant because he has a different opinion than you? That is rich.

          Gee, why would a reasonable mind be not head over heels for OJ, hmmm.

          You are putting more stock in his performance against Big West opponents as opposed to borderline NBA players. I am not sure looking at it the other way makes a person "ignorant".

          Most players who put up the numbers and played the way OJ did will not even get a tryout let alone make a team. He and Hansbrough were the worst players on the team by far. OJ showed very little playmaking ability. It looked like all he wanted to do was shoot, and against this competition he did not fare to well.

          I am not going to say cut the kid or anything. I am not going to overreact. But to act like someone who is skeptical of OJ after watching him these past 5 days is "ignorant" is laughable at best.

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          • #20
            Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            This just makes you look ignorant how can a guy who shoots 41% 3pt shooting in his last 2 years of college not hit the broad side of a barn . Especially considering most of the shots he took in college where heavily contested because he was the only good player on his team. I just dont get how people overreact or short sided especially considering you have never seen him play a real game. SL is about as close to an NBA game as the Drew League or the Indy Pro AM. I was surprised at how selfish he looked in the SL(actually not really it is the SL most players try to do way to much) he was so unselfish in college and played really smart most of the time. He just tried to do way to much and impress people give him time he will show why he is a good player.

            Right now he and Gerald Green our the best wing shooters off the bench

            This would be like saying Danny is the worst player in the NBA because he went 2-20 in the Twolves game a few years ago just doesn't make any sense.



            This reminds me of the guys who always told me Brandon Rush cant shoot or a bad shooter the argument is just
            Steve Alford was a better shooter in college and didn't pan out. IOW, whatever a player did in college in terms of shooting is not a good indicator of his success in the NBA.

            Also, OJ is old coming out of college and he did not play well. Not a good sign. I can understand Paul George at 19 being raw, but not a 23 year old. OJ will see the floor about as much as Pendergraph did last year, and he'll get cut to make room for a player with more potential. Dude is old and when he's scoring 5ppg on 40% shooting in his 3rd year, it will be time to say goodbye...if it doesn't happen earlier.

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            • #21
              Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

              Yeah he shot poorly in SL. I was more impressed with the ability I saw from him in drawing fouls and getting to the line. His shot will come back to him. If you have to, stash him in the D-League this season and get him some burn in Fort Wayne.
              "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

              "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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              • #22
                Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

                Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                So he is ignorant because he has a different opinion than you? That is rich.

                Gee, why would a reasonable mind be not head over heels for OJ, hmmm.

                You are putting more stock in his performance against Big West opponents as opposed to borderline NBA players. I am not sure looking at it the other way makes a person "ignorant".

                Most players who put up the numbers and played the way OJ did will not even get a tryout let alone make a team. He and Hansbrough were the worst players on the team by far. OJ showed very little playmaking ability. It looked like all he wanted to do was shoot, and against this competition he did not fare to well.

                I am not going to say cut the kid or anything. I am not going to overreact. But to act like someone who is skeptical of OJ after watching him these past 5 days is "ignorant" is laughable at best.
                He didn't say he was ignorant because they he had a different opinion, that is a strawman, and is used constantly, he said he looked ignorant because he was disregarding OJ's College career. (this isn't to say I agree or disagree with Pacer4ever, but that same strawman is used constantly and it isn't valid, he wasn't calling anyone ignorant because they shared different beliefs)
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                • #23
                  Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

                  People need to stop jumping to conclusions from summer league.

                  Those guys go through 2 a day practices for a few days, and then play games FIVE days in a row. That's far worse than the condensed schedule the NBA players played, and that was talked about to no end the effect it has on players.

                  Lance has looked good in the summer before, even better than Paul George. Everyone was freaking out about it, and it meant nothing. This means nothing ...... EVERY .... SINGLE .... YEAR. The sooner people realize that, the better off they'll be.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

                    The problem I had was with this thread's title. OJ didn't show he's "ready to play now". Maybe he will turn out to be a good player. But he's done nothing to help his case and claiming he's "ready to play now" after that performance is just ridiculous.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

                      I think people are overreacting. No, Orlando Johnson didn't show he was NBA ready by his summer league play, but he's like our third string SG. Everyone just needs to simmer down. If we are relying on him for major minutes then two or three other bench guys (Green and Lance) are either playing poorly or are hurt.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

                        Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
                        People need to stop jumping to conclusions from summer league.

                        Those guys go through 2 a day practices for a few days, and then play games FIVE days in a row. That's far worse than the condensed schedule the NBA players played, and that was talked about to no end the effect it has on players.

                        Lance has looked good in the summer before, even better than Paul George. Everyone was freaking out about it, and it meant nothing. This means nothing ...... EVERY .... SINGLE .... YEAR. The sooner people realize that, the better off they'll be.
                        Well, SL does mean something. evaluating players in SL is huge. It's just that some things can be discarded, like shooting poorly when that is not the norm of a players history.
                        Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                        • #27
                          Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

                          For the same reason I am not worried about Orlando Johnson, I have the same reason not to think Magnum Rolle is the next Dale Davis.
                          I don't want to sound condescending, which means to talk down to you by the way

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                          • #28
                            Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

                            Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                            Well, SL does mean something. evaluating players in SL is huge. It's just that some things can be discarded, like shooting poorly when that is not the norm of a players history.
                            Why is poor shooting any different? There are many players who can handle the 3 line in NCAA, but not NBA. NBA level competitors are stronger and more athletic making it harder to convert shots. These facts shouldn't be discarded any more than any other skill. The fact he shot over 40% from the NCAA three is great. It does mean he can shoot in the NCAA. It does not mean he can convert shots against professionals...so that history can now be thrown out the window.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                              Why is poor shooting any different? There are many players who can handle the 3 line in NCAA, but not NBA. NBA level competitors are stronger and more athletic making it harder to convert shots. These facts shouldn't be discarded any more than any other skill. The fact he shot over 40% from the NCAA three is great. It does mean he can shoot in the NCAA. It does not mean he can convert shots against professionals...so that history can now be thrown out the window.
                              Using Orlando as an example:

                              I wasn't referring to 3pt shots. He got many shots off where he got himself open, but they didn't fall. pound for pound, he was the strongest man on the court vs opponents. I don't see a problem with his abilities to get his shot. His shot will come.

                              As far as 3pt shot, almost every college prospect has to adjust to get their shot to fall. Rather it is a lottery guy or a undrafted guy, so you confirm more to what I stated to begin with.

                              Also, somebody had referred to Steve Alford having shot very well in college but couldn't make it in the NBA cause he couldn't adapt (I believe this was the jest of it). Well it wasn't just his shot, it was more cause his athletic ability and will to get stronger. He as a player (not only a shooter) never adapted. OJ will not have the physical and mental problems that frustrated Alford. If there is a player right now that resembles one another, it would be Ben Hansbrough and Steve Alford. You notice Ben just doesn't have the physical aspect and it makes him fail in his shot, ball handling, decision making, ect. The same issue that Alford had at the pro level.
                              Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                              • #30
                                Re: Draft Express, reporting from Orlando: OJ "ready to play now"

                                Originally posted by IndyPacer View Post
                                His shot selection was pretty terrible. He had a very efficient game in college, and he needs to go back to making better decisions about what is a shot he should take. He looked like he rushed everything and chucked constantly in the Summer League.
                                He has good shot selection at times, his shot just was not going down, consistently coming up short, it should be an easy adjustment for the coaching staff to help him with, I think.
                                Why so SERIOUS

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