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Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

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  • Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

    I think getting augustin, green and mahini for jones, dc, and lou is close to a wash. it could be a net plus (if we are lucky or the FO really know what they are doing) or a net minus.

    What do you all see as the best and worst case scenarios for the new players? Be realistic, so nothing like Mahini blows out his knee in the first game of preseason, Green chops off two more fingers, and Augustin pulls a Plaxico.

    Mine:

    BEST CASE:

    augustin: has all the positives of DC, but a better passer and less of a "ball-hog."

    green: does on offense what hid did with NJ last year. Is able to step up defense, so that there is little drop-off on D when PG/DG go to the bench. Primary backup at both 2 and 3. Overall, production comes close to Paul George of last year.

    mahini: Plays the primary backup at both 5 and the 4. Allows Hans to play at the 4 only a few minutes a game, more only if he happens to get hot on that day. Basically becomes Antonio Davis.



    WORST CASE:

    augustin: assist numbers last year were because of system. no better at moving the ball in our system than DC/GH. Shoots worse than DC. Cannot step up D in playoffs like DC did, because of physical shortcomings. Bad TJ Ford flashbacks.

    green: NJ performance was flash in the pan, mainly because of overuse on bad team. Ball-stopper on O, streaky shooting. Ultimately does not give much more than D Jones on offense, defense is significantly worse.

    mahini: Slightly stronger Solomon Jones.

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    Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

    Best Augustin provides steady point guard play - averaging 8-10 ppg and 4-5 apg off the bench in other words scores about the same but hands out more assist that Hill did in the back up role last season

    Green provides instant offense off the bench , allows Vogel to sit Granger on nights Danny is not into the game. At least gives a workman like effort on defense. Shows that the skills that had him thought to be a future NBA star out of high school are there and the so called experts were not wrong. Same applies to him replacing Paul George on night Paul struggles. Averages 10-12 a night off the bench.

    Mahinmi - gives the Pacers a big body who likes to bang- who's ability to rebound improves. When he replaces Hibbert , the drop off is minimal and fans don't cringe when he enters the game. Shows the ability to hit open jumpers which he did in Dallas.



    Worst

    Augustin in a 1 year showcase becomes a me first pg and forces shots trying to build stats.

    Green becomes a stat player and doesn't even make a half hearted effort on defense.

    Mahinimi becomes Amundson picks up 3 fouls in 4 minutes and can't hold his own in the post on defense far too often.


    Realisticly I think in all 3 cases the best scenerio is most likely. Augustin will want to show he is a team player and an effective team to earn a multi-year contract either with the Pacers or elsewhere.

    Gerald Green saw what life away from the NBA is like I don't see him not putting forth effort to rebuild his image to both NBA personel and fans. He will be a solid player.

    Ian Mahinmi will be frustrating but overall will provide what we need as a back up center. Positive minutes off the bench.

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      Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

      I am not sure about best case and worst case but they definitely improve the Pacers in one area where we had a glaring need.

      Speed and Athleticism.

      DJ for Collison may be a wash but Green and Mahinmi definitely upgrade the team in speed and atheleticism.

      Add in Plumlee and our front line goes from a bunch of plodders to more speed and athleticism.

      Did I mention we needed more speed and athleticism.

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        Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

        Best case for Green is that we want him, rather than Paul George on the floor. That's really possible, although the hope is that Paul makes a big jump. Worst case, Green and Lance head out the 8 second saloon and we relive the "good old days".

        Best case for Augustin is that he starts and it becomes clear the offense runs better with him on the floor. I think that could happen. Worst case, he is clearly less effective than Collison and he fights for a spot on the bench with Lance.

        Best case for Ian is that he becomes a solid rotation guy with West and Hibbert where he becomes a glue guy, puts up 10ppg and holds his own defensively. Worst case, he is Solomon Jones and we wish we still had Josh McRoberts or Lou.

        Best case for Plumlee is that he becomes a solid rotation guy with West and Hibbert too...with similar numbers. Worst case, he's John Edwards.

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          Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

          Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
          Best case for Green is that we want him, rather than Paul George on the floor. That's really possible, although the hope is that Paul makes a big jump. Worst case, Green and Lance head out the 8 second saloon and we relive the "good old days".
          I'm hoping Green really excels off the bench and if he does, than we see a lot of Hill-Green-George-Granger-Hibbert on the court.

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            Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

            BEST CASE:

            augustin:Is playing for a bigger contract and a starting roll and he become the assist man we need.

            green: Takes advantage of his opportunity here and really plays hard nose defense and makes the most of his offensive chances. He is a first rate backup and if he shows a whole lot, he makes Danny Granger tradeable for another starter.

            mahini: He gets an opportunity to show that he is a first class backup and makes it easier to get Hibbert his rest.



            WORST CASE:

            augustin: I have been talking to some Bobcats fans and they say if we think he is an assist first kind of PG, we will not be happy. If he starts putting up bad shots to try and win that new contract, this might not be good.

            green: I think he will be solid backup, bigger and stronger than Dahntay and a much better shooter. The worst case would be for him to not defend or use all of his energy when he gets in the game.

            mahini: He slides and can't score, rebound or defend.

            I like these picks. Our bench is much improved and we are longer and more athletic.......

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              Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

              Originally posted by mattie View Post
              I'm hoping Green really excels off the bench and if he does, than we see a lot of Hill-Green-George-Granger-Hibbert on the court.
              I hope not. I have no desire to see any of those players at PF.......

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              • #8
                Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

                Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                I hope not. I have no desire to see any of those players at PF.......
                Why not Danny?

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                  Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

                  Best
                  D.J. Augustin- beats out George Hill for starting job and earns long term deal the Pacers, stat averages 14.5 ppg 5.6 apg
                  Gerald Green- becomes a huge fan favorite with all of the spectacular dunks and turns Indy into Lob city 2.0 between him and Paul George, Becomes a much better scorer and defender off the bench than Leandro Barbosa, stat averages 13.3 ppg 4.2 rpg
                  Ian Mahinmi- Becomes a solid backup improves his rebounding abilities and uses his athleticism to become a good shot blocker, and consistently hits the mid range jumper, stat averages 7.8 ppg 5.6 rpg

                  worst
                  D.J. Augustin- shoots too much and bad distributor stats- 9.6 ppg 3 TO pg, and 2.9 aog
                  Gerald Green- looked good playing on bad team in NJ, can't shoot or defend can only dunk- 8.9 ppg 39% fg
                  Ian Mahinmi- Solomon Jones..........

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                    Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

                    Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
                    Why not Danny?
                    He can't rebound and he can't attack the rim. He is a spot up shooter and that is all that he is. He also cannot defend a PF. He can't defend a SF either but him on a PF is really bad news.....

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                      Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

                      According to the experts, best case scenario after these latest moves is we're failures because we'll lose to Miami, worst case scenario is we're failures because we'll miss the playoffs or maybe lose in the first round if we're lucky.

                      Basically, the Pacers are always failures somehow or another. Just ask. The experts will tell you.

                      Word is the first 10,000 fans to the home opener will be given a free WTHR razor blade so Pacer fans can slit their wrists at earliest convenience.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

                        If anyone is curious were this is coming from just read the timeline from yesterday which should explain things for you:

                        https://twitter.com/HicksPD

                        =)

                        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                        According to the experts, best case scenario is we're failures because we'll lose to Miami, worst case scenario is we're failures because we'll miss the playoffs or maybe lose in the first round if we're lucky.

                        Basically, the Pacers are always failures somehow or another. Just ask. The experts will tell you.

                        Word is the first 10,000 fans to the home opener will be given a free WTHR razor blade so Pacer fans can slit their wrists at earliest convenience.

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                          Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

                          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                          BEST CASE:

                          augustin:Is playing for a bigger contract and a starting roll and he become the assist man we need.

                          green: Takes advantage of his opportunity here and really plays hard nose defense and makes the most of his offensive chances. He is a first rate backup and if he shows a whole lot, he makes Danny Granger tradeable for another starter.

                          mahini: He gets an opportunity to show that he is a first class backup and makes it easier to get Hibbert his rest.



                          WORST CASE:

                          augustin: I have been talking to some Bobcats fans and they say if we think he is an assist first kind of PG, we will not be happy. If he starts putting up bad shots to try and win that new contract, this might not be good.

                          green: I think he will be solid backup, bigger and stronger than Dahntay and a much better shooter. The worst case would be for him to not defend or use all of his energy when he gets in the game.

                          mahini: He slides and can't score, rebound or defend.

                          I like these picks. Our bench is much improved and we are longer and more athletic.......
                          I would say pretty onpoint....except the part about green being stronger than d. jones. He is definitelly longer. But Im not so sure about stronger. D. Jones was pretty adept at using his strength and made him a good defender. Green will need to rely more on length and athleticism because in my opinion hes more slight than strong.
                          The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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                            Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

                            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                            According to the experts, best case scenario after these latest moves is we're failures because we'll lose to Miami, worst case scenario is we're failures because we'll miss the playoffs or maybe lose in the first round if we're lucky.

                            Basically, the Pacers are always failures somehow or another. Just ask. The experts will tell you.

                            Word is the first 10,000 fans to the home opener will be given a free WTHR razor blade so Pacer fans can slit their wrists at earliest convenience.
                            Conversely according to other experts no matter what the Pacers do it was the exact right thing no matter what. Failing to make the playoffs next year would be just part of the master plan to get back to a higher level and even if they don’t then that’s ok because they are a small market team and nobody can expect real NBA players to want to play here.

                            Basically, the Pacers are always winners somehow or another. The experts will tell you.

                            Word on the street is that if there aren’t 18,000 plus screaming fans in the stands every night it’s the fans fault.


                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            • #15
                              Re: Realistic Best+Worst Case Scenarios for New Players

                              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                              Word is the first 10,000 fans to the home opener will be given a free WTHR razor blade so Pacer fans can slit their wrists at earliest convenience.

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