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    I'm starting to feel the same way, the 3 or 4 years rebuilding plan has been a fail.
    Larry was Executive of the year last year, call that failure if you wish. Not good for your credibility.

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    Do you notice we're not the only team that passed on him for this low contract and he happened to end up in the place he said he wanted to be at? That's not a coincidence.

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    I'm starting to feel the same way, the 3 or 4 years rebuilding plan has been a fail.
    Good lord, what would you consider a success?

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    Well, I'm happy with the moves this summer, but this seems to be a fairly negligent incident by the Pacers, unless someone can explain it to me otherwise.

    Could we have had Brand if we simply delayed Hibbert and Hill's signing ceremony? Say it ain't so, Joe.
    yes....we absolutely couldve...and the same goes for scola...

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    Yes, the Pacers are the only team that passed on Brand because we are failures, 29 other teams all bid on him due to their wisdom exceeding ours by leaps and bounds.


    Some of you need to get in touch with reality more often. Brand went for a ridiculously low bid, maybe 3 million lower than what some people expected. You guys who are complaining think it was an accident that the team that put in the low bid happened to be Dallas? We'll never know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Brand said through his agent to teams interested in claiming him, "If I don't end up in Dallas, then I'll just retire."

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    Good lord, what would you consider a success?
    Right or wrong, we all know by now that Vnzla will only consider a championship a success and he will not be happy til the moment the trophy is hoisted. I don't necessarily agree with him, but I see his angle as well. It's just the way it is.

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    Yes, the Pacers are the only team that passed on Brand because we are failures, 29 other teams all bid on him due to their wisdom exceeding ours by leaps and bounds.


    Some of you need to get in touch with reality more often. Brand went for a ridiculously low bid, maybe 3 million lower than what some people expected. You guys who are complaining think it was an accident that the team that put in the low bid happened to be Dallas? We'll never know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Brand said through his agent to teams interested in claiming him, "If I don't end up in Dallas, then I'll just retire."

    You call the bluff. Brand at his age isn't going to retire.

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    Brand didn't take well to coming on the bench that one year in Philly. He probably let it be known that we would retire rather then not start.

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    Brand didn't take well to coming on the bench that one year in Philly. He probably let it be known that we would retire rather then not start.
    Unless Kaman gets injured, he's going to come off the bench for Dallas.

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    Dallas did a better job than us in rebuilding, DC, DJ, Marion, Dirk, Kaman and Brand off the bench.
    Wait... I'm pretty sure Collison, Marion and Kaman will all start.

    Unless Dirk plays center, then Brand would start.

    Maybe I'm just confused about their roster or something. What are you thinking their depth chart will look like given their current roster???

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    Also, we should have offered 2.2 for a 1 year rental :P

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    Yes, the Pacers are the only team that passed on Brand because we are failures, 29 other teams all bid on him due to their wisdom exceeding ours by leaps and bounds.


    Some of you need to get in touch with reality more often. Brand went for a ridiculously low bid, maybe 3 million lower than what some people expected. You guys who are complaining think it was an accident that the team that put in the low bid happened to be Dallas? We'll never know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Brand said through his agent to teams interested in claiming him, "If I don't end up in Dallas, then I'll just retire."
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    You call the bluff. Brand at his age isn't going to retire.
    Yes that would be great for chemistry on a young upcoming team. Forcing a vet who still wants to start to come off the bench. I don't get why we didn't do that.

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    there is no "if" anymore.

    We can't bid on Scola even if we were to trade Tyler, Lance, Pendy for nothing but draft picks, and also give away the draft rights to Plum and OJ.

    I didn't think second round picks were guaranteed. We traded to get him so obviously we're keeping him and whatever he makes won't be worth much anyways so it doesn't really matter. I didn't think you had to sign or pay 2nd round picks?

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    What's with the tinfoil hat picture?

    It's not like deals have ever been made under the table. I'm assuming the Pacers knew they'd get Augustin after trading they're only back up point guard.

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    Yes that would be great for chemistry on a young upcoming team. Forcing a vet who still wants to start to come off the bench. I don't get why we didn't do that.
    He wanted to go to Dallas where I'm thinking he will also come off the bench. Only way he starts is if Dirk starts at center. Otherwise Kaman and Dirk will start.

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    Yes, the Pacers are the only team that passed on Brand because we are failures, 29 other teams all bid on him due to their wisdom exceeding ours by leaps and bounds.


    Some of you need to get in touch with reality more often. Brand went for a ridiculously low bid, maybe 3 million lower than what some people expected. You guys who are complaining think it was an accident that the team that put in the low bid happened to be Dallas? We'll never know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Brand said through his agent to teams interested in claiming him, "If I don't end up in Dallas, then I'll just retire."
    Not possible Billups did that last year and Stern said if he didn't play for the team that claimed him he wouldn't get paid his 14 million owed to him. If Brand is willing to walk from 18 million because he doesn't want to be a pacer after clamied be my guest. I would call that bluff 100/100.

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    resume the mass wrist slitting. at this point, i think some of you guys are enjoying being outraged at each turn of events.

    there has to be a reason why brand only went at 2.1 mil when a dozen or so teams need a good backup PF. hell, some teams don't even have a starting PF.
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    He wanted to go to Dallas where I'm thinking he will also come off the bench. Only way he starts is if Dirk starts at center. Otherwise Kaman and Dirk will start.
    Which is why I said what I did. If he wants to be someplace it won't be as big a deal. Of course in the interview he stated he would have to play at center beside Dirk which he didn't seem too upset about. I don't think he would be happy here backing up even if he had to come, but then the front office seems to like what they have put together so the point seems moot. Were either he or Scola the missing parts we needed to beat the Heat? Doubtful.

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    Interesting Timeline

    The Pacers needed to hold off the Hill and Hibbert signings to have cap space to make moves.

    Brand was amnestied and said he hoped he would get claimed by Dallas

    The Pacers expressed interest in using the open space to bid on Brand

    The agent for Elton Brand??.......David Falk who wants Brand to get maximum playing time to try to earn another contract and also happens to be Hibbert's agent

    At 4pm there is a press conference announcing Hill and Hibbert's contracts signed eliminating Pacers cap space and ability to bid on Brand

    5pm Brand awarded to Dallas for 2.1 million

    Did Falk force the Pacers to sign the Hibbert deal to get his other client to Dallas?...you will have to connect the dots for yourself!
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    Yes, the Pacers are the only team that passed on Brand because we are failures, 29 other teams all bid on him due to their wisdom exceeding ours by leaps and bounds.


    Some of you need to get in touch with reality more often. Brand went for a ridiculously low bid, maybe 3 million lower than what some people expected. You guys who are complaining think it was an accident that the team that put in the low bid happened to be Dallas? We'll never know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Brand said through his agent to teams interested in claiming him, "If I don't end up in Dallas, then I'll just retire."
    Billups tried that last year. Didn't work. Read the last half of this article.


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    I'll just point out that no, 29 other teams didn't pass on Brand for $2.1m. Only under the cap teams are eligible to join in the bidding. Not really sure which teams are still under the cap right now - Suns, Blazers, Mavs, Hornets, Kings, I think. Not sure who else.

    We're not under the cap either, but we could have been if we delayed the timing of Hibbert and Hill's signings. Don't know if something forced our hand, or that we're simply not interested in joining the bidding.

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    Yes that would be great for chemistry on a young upcoming team. Forcing a vet who still wants to start to come off the bench. I don't get why we didn't do that.
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    With Brand adding depth to the front line and being a legitimate two-way contributer the Pacers win a lot of games next year.

    When has Brand ever been on a team with the talent to compete deep in the playoffs? My guess is he would adapt just fine to coming off the bench and I don't see him as the type of individual to wreck a teams chemistry or poison younger players out of spite. As others have said you call that bluff 100 out of 100 times and put in your best bid.

    The other thing that I see could have been a huge positive with Brand is that he and West playing in the same rotation could easily extend the years both of them would be effective contributors. If a clear upgrade at the 4 isn't possible next year the team could have signed both of them to reasonble deals and stayed competative for the forseeable future.

    Unless there is something going on with the cap we don't know about this was a huge gaff by the front office. Based on comments by Pritchard that they couldn't bid because of the Hill/Hibbert signing I'm calling it a major F'up.

    Of course if they pull off some sort of master stroke deal and turn Hansbbroughs sorry carcass into something useful all is forgiven but I'm not holding my breath.
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    yes....we absolutely couldve...and the same goes for scola...
    I love this sense that we can just go do whatever we want in regard to signing players, as if other teams, agents, and the players themselves have no say in the matter.

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    I love this sense that we can just go do whatever we want in regard to signing players, as if other teams, agents, and the players themselves have no say in the matter.
    Well then you obviously dont know how the waiver amnesty program works and didnt look at the question this answer was in response to. Agents and players have absolutely no say in this particular matter. Its simply a bidding of those teams under the cap making a bid with the high bid winning. Period. No agent input. No player refusing or choosing somewhere else because he doesnt like the team or city. Only a one-time bid with the highest bid winning. So the answer was simple when asked if we wouldve waited to sign Hibbert and Hill could we have gotten Brand or Scola...

    Yes. As very few teams were under the cap and even fewer actually had an interest. As is evidenced by the 2.1 million winning bid. Scola should be even more interesting.

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