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26th - Jordan Hamilton
27th - JuJuan Johnson
28th - Norris Cole
29th - Cory Joseph
30th - Jimmy Butler
I was going to list the second round picks but no need to, none of them were regular rotation player. So the only player was Norris Cole and he was borderline regular rotation
2010 - which I believe was consdered a much better draft.
26th - Quincy Pondexter
27th - Jordan Crawford
28th - Greivis Vasquez
29th - Daniel Orton
30th - Lazar Hayward
OK I am still searching. I mean lance Stevenson was taken 40th and he might be a regular contributor this season in his third. Otherwise no one else has to this point.
it is rare that a 26th pick and lower even lasts in the NBA let alone becaomes a regulr rotation player
Because you don't always draft a player on his abilities, the point of the draft really is to get a player that improves your team, in a sense of gives your team a better chance to win. And that might not always be the best player at your choice.
The pacers got Klee because he filled a need for the team not that he was the best player available.
Hope this makes sense
I could be taking this the wrong way but the one part in that entire article that stuck out to me that made me cringe a little bit
now if they meant that as the next step in progression on the way to the finals then that's all well and good but shouldn't that be "a team trying to reach the NBA Finals...a team trying to reach the Eastern Conference finals.
I am struggling with the natural desire to be 'happy' that we have made moves at all... but then skeptical as to whether the moves are the types of moves that get us going in the right direction. We still seem to be a true 'star' away from being legit. That star either needs to grow from within or somehow we need to find a way to get one.... and since that rarely happens in free agency, that means a trade. Also, we need to remember that David West is an expiring contract, so there is a question of what this team looks like in 2 years. I think the Dallas trade was meant to address that as well - to try to get some players in the similar salary length and age category to grow together.
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I will never understand why some people feel like we downgraded?
DJ>>Collison.. Even if we kept Collison he was going to command GH type money.
You can't tie 80+ Mil on players who bring the same type game to the team. Dj is a
much better disher and a much better 3 point shooter.. Gerald Green>>Dhante.
Might not be the leader Jones was, but certainly brings such a great game to the table.
Iam brings a much better defensive game to the table then Lou.. He's much more taller and
pretty damm athletic and for 4 mil! a year why not take the gamble. The market for
big men is a damm expensive rate. Kwame just got singed! Kwame Brown.
Our Bench will look like this..
raw baby.. Raw.
That is damm good. People complain about our bigs, we don't need scoring with Dj-Lance-Green. Dude's could light it up..
We all know Lance can play. It was just a matter of time. We all know that Lance is by far our best passer(pre-DJ).
I really like how Plumlee is coming along. Super raw guy.. We are small market, we live off trades and growing our own players..
That's how you compete with the big markets. Just look at the Rays... Last season we where all blessed with an exciting brand of basketball.
I really really really enjoyed our games last year. So many years of failure.. Now just because we where legit last year, many have
out of this world expectations. I really feel about our core staying together and competing. Hopefully Paul and Hibbert take that next step.
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I'd like to see some fiddling with the lineup that puts West in the second unit, or at least enough fiddling that we don't have the same problem of no low post scorer in the second unit.
I think it's possible that West would be okay with it as long as he is finishing.
If Ian is going to be our X-man, then he needs to play alongside Hibbert and West both. Plums can provide a few minutes a game as well, but shouldn't be in at the same time with Ian.
So many are upset cause of the DC, Jones for Mahimni trade that was supposedly not needed to obtain Ian. Wonder how all these other teams fans feel where their teams are allowing high quality guys to just walk away with getting no return. Like a Mayo, Lee or Lou Williams. There are a load of these players where the teams are getting zero return. I realize it's a little different cause they are RFA's (now FA's) but couldn't they had dealt these players at the deadline for some kind of value or get something in a S&T. What about all the players that have team options and the teams are opting out and letting them walk. My point is, at least the Pacers got a return for DC. The return is a legit backup big and dumping Jones and Collison's contracts. Which, got us Augustin and Green. What if DC had an team option and the Pacers opted out and just let him walk and we was stuck with Jones. Teams letting their players walk is a sign that the owners are trying to dictate the market. Trying to get players on more of a FA market without giving up assets for non-star performers. So, I am very happy of the results our FO has done this off season thus far. I would like to see us get a 1 yr. 6mil contract before Hibbert and Hill are signed.
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Like I said I kind of like what we did, I'm just not sure if this team is going to be better, I can't stop thinking of the Green signing and think "Kareem Rush" I understand the people are excited about his potential(I was few years ago) but at this point in his career I don't expect much from him, I like that we replaced DC with Augustin but I don't know how much better he is going to make the second unit and Mahinmi I think he is going to be decent but again he is not a difference maker, he is just a decent big that we can play 10-15 minutes a game.
At the end of the day we only addressed one weakness(backup point guard that can create) but we ended up leaving 3 open(big man that can rebound and defend/SF that can play D/shoot creator off the bench) and opened another one(SG/SF defense).
Enlighten you? You've got to be joking. Pacers just gave away DC for nothing. Nothing. And then signed another undersized pg for more money. Ian was an UFA, so we all know the Pacers could have just signed him. Get something for DC than just a straight salary dump. I don't mind giving DJ away, I doubt he has much value, but I know DC has some value. There are teams that could use a good backup/starting point guard. I mean, at least get a future pick, even if it's just a 2nd rounder. Houston, what, got the 18th pick for Budinger. Give me a break.
Oh brother, and then you throw the "you don't know if they looked for a deal". Of course I don't. I never claimed I did. I don't know any more than you. But c'mon, giving DC away just seems so idiotic.
First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.
Hibbert > Resigned = win
Hill > Resigned = win
Amundson > Mahimni = win
Jones > Green = win
Collison > Augustin = win
3 for 3 in the FA Market and was able to retain our 2 RFA's = 5 for 5...I'd call this a very successful week.
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Gee, how did I know THIS was coming? Pritchard made some good moves but ultimately Donnie screwed up.
You can't get to the NBA Finals unless you get to the Conference Finals. Prepping to beat a team in the ECF does you no good of you end up 10th in the East.
When will people realize that you can't just prep for the goal 3 steps ahead without making sure you climb those three steps?
So many people think we only got where we did through luck - I think we did a damn good job of making sure we could AT LEAST get there again WITHOUT luck as a factor. How the Hell is that NOT improvement?
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Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
If our bench has gone from Collison, Barbosa, Jones, Hansbrough, and Amundson to Augustin, Green, George, Hansbrough, and Mahinmi... I have to say I think we'll be noticeably better. So much bigger and much more athletic. We'll have a rim protector all 48 minutes, not just when Roy is playing.
I'm not giddy, but I'm encouraged by this roster. Especially if Paul George makes a noticeable improvement.
I'm Happy too.
Something had to be done to bring in some reliable bench help. I think it happened. With Chicago on the mend, I look for us to challenge seriously for the Central title. And I predict that we will continue to be ingored by PMS_ESPN
We basically wasted our cap, we have nothing left...
We are basically Hawks 2.0 of the past 5 years, we wont get over the hump unless George morphs into McGrady 2.0 (very doubtful).
Back up center was a huge weakness on this team all year. Roy only being able to play 30 mpg makes this even more of a glaring need. Miami exploited it badly. Mahinmi will be very valuable to this team.
Its amazing how DC has gone from hated by everyone to completely overrated on this board. Darren Collison did not show improvement in his time here. He is not much of a point guard as he can't pass and his floor general skills are lacking. This idea that he is a legit starting PG in this league baffles me. If he is a legit starting PG, he wouldn't have lost his job to a combo guard! What value is there in a undersized scoring point guard with below average passing skills? Oh and he sucks at defending too. What the hell are we going to get out of that?!
And whats even better is we replaced him with a better player! Augustin is a superior point guard.
And trading Jones away, that wasn't to sweeten the deal with Dallas. That was a salary dump on our part. He doesn't have value. Which in turn lowers the value of DC. The notion that we traded something awesome for nothing is just bull ****. Its like we traded Paul George for Mahinmi instead of DC.
That trade lead to signing Green and Augustin, which is an upgrade overall. DC/Jones for Augustin/Green/Mahinmi, every GM makes that move.