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    How much cap space is left over after all the signings assuming we dont get barbosa back??

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    Default Re: So how much cap space do we have left?

    Once we sign Hill and we sign Roy, none.

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    Once we sign Hill and we sign Roy, none.

    We have absolutely 0 cap space left?

    Ouch.

    Starting to think Augustin might have to start then.

    Vogel likes to bring in the entire bench. I don't even want to think about Augustin, Stephenson, Green, Hansbrough and Mahinimi trying to score if they're all on the floor at once.

    I'm assuming Vogel won't be bringing in the entire bench anymore if we don't have any space to sign another shooter/scorer to come off the bench.

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    We have absolutely 0 cap space left?

    Ouch.

    Starting to think Augustin might have to start then.

    Vogel likes to bring in the entire bench. I don't even want to think about Augustin, Stephenson, Green, Hansbrough and Mahinimi trying to score if they're all on the floor at once.

    I'm assuming Vogel won't be bringing in the entire bench anymore if we don't have any space to sign another shooter/scorer to come off the bench.
    All of that logic totally escapes me.

    I have no idea what cap space has to do with playing time.

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    All of that logic totally escapes me.

    I have no idea what cap space has to do with playing time.
    What?

    I was just making sure it's accurate that we have absolutely no cap space because I think we need another scorer off the bench.

    So I guess not having cap space to sign another player has to do with playing time.

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    Default Re: So how much cap space do we have left?

    We have no cap room, but we still own our MLE. We can sign another scorer using that. We've also gotBarbosas bird rights so he might be option #1. I wouldn't complain if we brought him back.

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    What?

    I was just making sure it's accurate that we have absolutely no cap space because I think we need another scorer off the bench.

    So I guess not having cap space to sign another player has to do with playing time.
    I think we have plenty of scoring off the bench...you don't think Augustin Lance and Green can score? Its certainly an upgrade from last season. On top of that, its not like we completely take out EVERY starter and replace them with our bench.

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    We have no cap room, but we still own our MLE. We can sign another scorer using that. We've also gotBarbosas bird rights so he might be option #1. I wouldn't complain if we brought him back.
    We don't have the MLE. We started the offseason under the cap.

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    How much is the MLE and does that mean we can sign both Barbosa and use the MLE on someone else?

    We're at 14 players currently I believe so I guess it wouldn't matter if we could sign 2 or not because don't have room for 2.

    I really don't know a lot about the new CBA. What exactly is bird rights to Barbosa? And I thought I saw something us about us renouncing the rights to him.


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    I think we have plenty of scoring off the bench...you don't think Augustin Lance and Green can score? Its certainly an upgrade from last season. On top of that, its not like we completely take out EVERY starter and replace them with our bench.
    Actually, we did bring in the entire bench on occasion last season. I didn't think it was until the end of the season when we started leaving some of the starters out there. Usually Granger.

    I know Green can score but I don't know about Augustin and Stephenson. They both shot 37.6% last season. Collison/Hill shot 44.0%/44.2%, Barbosa 42.5% and Dahntay Jones 40.9%. So we had three guards on the bench shooting better than both last season. Green is good though, no issues with his ability to score. He was great last year.

    I think our bench got a lot better just as long as we add another shooter. I'm fine with bringing Barbosa back but I just feel like Green is the only guy on the bench that can shoot at the moment. Maybe Augustin and Stephenson will have a lot better seasons but they weren't too hot last season.
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    Default Re: So how much cap space do we have left?

    Whoa, really? I though all teams were entitled to the MLE and teams who were over the cap only had a Mini MLE?

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    We don't have the MLE. We started the offseason under the cap.
    Could we still re-sign Barbosa though because of the bird rights or whatever?

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    Whoa, really? I though all teams were entitled to the MLE and teams who were over the cap only had a Mini MLE?
    You have to start over the cap to have an MLE. But you you start under you are allowed to go over by something like $2.75 million to fill out your roster or something like that.

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    You have to start over the cap to have an MLE. But you you start under you are allowed to go over by something like $2.75 million to fill out your roster or something like that.
    Did we go over? Would we go over?

    At what point do you start having to pay luxury tax? I didn't think we're willing to do that.

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    Did we go over? Would we go over?

    At what point do you start having to pay luxury tax? I didn't think we're willing to do that.
    We aren't that far over. no idea on luxury tax, but we ain't close.

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    You have to start over the cap to have an MLE. But you you start under you are allowed to go over by something like $2.75 million to fill out your roster or something like that.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_sal...evel_exception

    Mid-level exception
    Once a year, teams can use a mid-level exception (MLE) to sign a player to a contract for a specified maximum amount. The amount of the MLE and its duration depend on the team's cap status. The MLE is $5 million for a duration of four years for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but did not pay a luxury tax in the previous season. Teams without cap room that paid tax in the previous season have an MLE of $3 million with a three-year duration. Teams with cap room, previously ineligible for the MLE, have a new MLE of $2.5 million with a two-year duration. The MLE is frozen at the stated levels through the 2012–13 season, after which it increases by 3% per season.
    Before the 2011 CBA, the MLE was equal to the average NBA salary for all teams over the cap. Teams with cap room were previously ineligible for the MLE. The Mid-Level Exception for the 2008–09 NBA season was $5.585*million.The MLE was $5.854*million for the 2009–10 NBA regular season.
    According to this, we should have an additional 5mil to spend.

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    We aren't that far over. no idea on luxury tax, but we ain't close.
    Luxury tax is set at about 70mil.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_sal...evel_exception



    According to this, we should have an additional 5mil to spend.

    So realistically, we could make a bid on Scola still? I think someone said the starting bid has to be 3.3mil?

    Or we could sign another shooter which I really think we could use. Probably someone on the cheaper side like Jodie Meeks or Michael Redd. But if we have 5 mil, that means we could also make a run at Mayo, Lee or West? Or bring back Barbosa.

    That's awesome if we still have 5 million left.

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    Augustin was great before he got injured early in the year, plus he had to shoulder too much of a load given how horrible the team was. He should be more effficient in his new role.

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    No cap space left.

    No MLE either. In any case, can't use MLE to claim amnesty players.

    We do have a $2.5m "room" exception. That's a new wrinkle in the current CBA. However, from what our FO is saying, it seems unlikely that we'll be doing any more spending. Maybe another min level player or 2 for depth. But if it's true that we're looking to bring back Barbosa, then we might be saving that room exception for him.

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    How much is the MLE and does that mean we can sign both Barbosa and use the MLE on someone else?

    We're at 14 players currently I believe so I guess it wouldn't matter if we could sign 2 or not because don't have room for 2.

    I really don't know a lot about the new CBA. What exactly is bird rights to Barbosa? And I thought I saw something us about us renouncing the rights to him.


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    14 players? I'm counting 13:

    Hibbert/Mahinmi/Plumlee
    West/Hansbrough/Pendergraph
    Granger/Green
    George/Johnson
    Hill/Augustin/Stephenson

    I'm pretty sure we must have renounced Barbosa's Bird rights already. There's no other way we could have fit the Augustin and Green signings otherwise. (Mahinmi was a S&T that didn't require cap space).

    As mentioned above, no MLE because we already used cap space to sign Augustin and Green. But we still have the $2.5m room exception to spend if the FO is willing.

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    No cap space left.

    No MLE either. In any case, can't use MLE to claim amnesty players.

    We do have a $2.5m "room" exception. That's a new wrinkle in the current CBA. However, from what our FO is saying, it seems unlikely that we'll be doing any more spending. Maybe another min level player or 2 for depth. But if it's true that we're looking to bring back Barbosa, then we might be saving that room exception for him.
    We weren't using MLE money to sign Green and Augustine, we should have the full 5 million, since we weren't paying the Luxury Tax last season, unless i'm completely reading the provision incorrectly. We signed green and Augustin with our own cap space that was free before officially inking Hibbert and Hill, why would that effect our MLE, which applies even if the MLE itself is the reason for going over the cap?
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    We weren't using MLE money to sign Green and Augustine, we should have the full 5 million, since we weren't paying the Luxury Tax last season, unless i'm completely reading the provision incorrectly. We signed green and Augustin with our own cap space that was free before officially inking Hibbert and Hill, why would that effect our MLE, which applies even if the MLE itself is the reason for going over the cap?
    Can't have both cap space and full MLE in the same season. Or to be more precise technically, the MLE counts against the cap and we would have to waive it in order to use our cap space to sign players.

    See: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26

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    Default Re: So how much cap space do we have left?

    I'm still getting used to this new CBA. Are we 100% sure we have some smaller version of the MLE right now? Is it 2.5, 2.75, or 3m?

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    I think we should have at least the room exception which is 2.5M I think.

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