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    Default So how much cap space do we have left?

    How much cap space is left over after all the signings assuming we dont get barbosa back??

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    Default Re: So how much cap space do we have left?

    Once we sign Hill and we sign Roy, none.

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    Once we sign Hill and we sign Roy, none.

    We have absolutely 0 cap space left?

    Ouch.

    Starting to think Augustin might have to start then.

    Vogel likes to bring in the entire bench. I don't even want to think about Augustin, Stephenson, Green, Hansbrough and Mahinimi trying to score if they're all on the floor at once.

    I'm assuming Vogel won't be bringing in the entire bench anymore if we don't have any space to sign another shooter/scorer to come off the bench.

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    We have absolutely 0 cap space left?

    Ouch.

    Starting to think Augustin might have to start then.

    Vogel likes to bring in the entire bench. I don't even want to think about Augustin, Stephenson, Green, Hansbrough and Mahinimi trying to score if they're all on the floor at once.

    I'm assuming Vogel won't be bringing in the entire bench anymore if we don't have any space to sign another shooter/scorer to come off the bench.
    All of that logic totally escapes me.

    I have no idea what cap space has to do with playing time.

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    All of that logic totally escapes me.

    I have no idea what cap space has to do with playing time.
    What?

    I was just making sure it's accurate that we have absolutely no cap space because I think we need another scorer off the bench.

    So I guess not having cap space to sign another player has to do with playing time.

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    What?

    I was just making sure it's accurate that we have absolutely no cap space because I think we need another scorer off the bench.

    So I guess not having cap space to sign another player has to do with playing time.
    I think we have plenty of scoring off the bench...you don't think Augustin Lance and Green can score? Its certainly an upgrade from last season. On top of that, its not like we completely take out EVERY starter and replace them with our bench.

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    We have no cap room, but we still own our MLE. We can sign another scorer using that. We've also gotBarbosas bird rights so he might be option #1. I wouldn't complain if we brought him back.

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    We have no cap room, but we still own our MLE. We can sign another scorer using that. We've also gotBarbosas bird rights so he might be option #1. I wouldn't complain if we brought him back.
    We don't have the MLE. We started the offseason under the cap.

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    Default Re: So how much cap space do we have left?

    Whoa, really? I though all teams were entitled to the MLE and teams who were over the cap only had a Mini MLE?

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    We don't have the MLE. We started the offseason under the cap.
    Could we still re-sign Barbosa though because of the bird rights or whatever?

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    How much is the MLE and does that mean we can sign both Barbosa and use the MLE on someone else?

    We're at 14 players currently I believe so I guess it wouldn't matter if we could sign 2 or not because don't have room for 2.

    I really don't know a lot about the new CBA. What exactly is bird rights to Barbosa? And I thought I saw something us about us renouncing the rights to him.


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    How much is the MLE and does that mean we can sign both Barbosa and use the MLE on someone else?

    We're at 14 players currently I believe so I guess it wouldn't matter if we could sign 2 or not because don't have room for 2.

    I really don't know a lot about the new CBA. What exactly is bird rights to Barbosa? And I thought I saw something us about us renouncing the rights to him.


    Thanks for not being a jerk by the way. I appreciate an honest response
    14 players? I'm counting 13:

    Hibbert/Mahinmi/Plumlee
    West/Hansbrough/Pendergraph
    Granger/Green
    George/Johnson
    Hill/Augustin/Stephenson

    I'm pretty sure we must have renounced Barbosa's Bird rights already. There's no other way we could have fit the Augustin and Green signings otherwise. (Mahinmi was a S&T that didn't require cap space).

    As mentioned above, no MLE because we already used cap space to sign Augustin and Green. But we still have the $2.5m room exception to spend if the FO is willing.

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    We have absolutely 0 cap space left?

    Ouch.

    Starting to think Augustin might have to start then.

    Vogel likes to bring in the entire bench. I don't even want to think about Augustin, Stephenson, Green, Hansbrough and Mahinimi trying to score if they're all on the floor at once.

    I'm assuming Vogel won't be bringing in the entire bench anymore if we don't have any space to sign another shooter/scorer to come off the bench.
    All those guys like to do is score, well atleast the first 4, lol Defense will be interesting though.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    All those guys like to do is score, well atleast the first 4, lol Defense will be interesting though.
    Liking to score and being good at scoring are two different things :P

    I just can't look past Augustin's 37.6%, Stephenson's 37.6% and Hansbrough's 40.5% last season. Again, this is assuming Vogel subs in all 5 bench players like he has in the past. I doubt he'll be doing that anymore though or at least I hope not. Even Amundson shot 43.0% last season so that goes to show how bad the offense could be if we've got 3 guys on the floor shooting 40% or less. They can score... it'll just take more attempts than most. Again, jmo.

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    No cap space left.

    No MLE either. In any case, can't use MLE to claim amnesty players.

    We do have a $2.5m "room" exception. That's a new wrinkle in the current CBA. However, from what our FO is saying, it seems unlikely that we'll be doing any more spending. Maybe another min level player or 2 for depth. But if it's true that we're looking to bring back Barbosa, then we might be saving that room exception for him.

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    No cap space left.

    No MLE either. In any case, can't use MLE to claim amnesty players.

    We do have a $2.5m "room" exception. That's a new wrinkle in the current CBA. However, from what our FO is saying, it seems unlikely that we'll be doing any more spending. Maybe another min level player or 2 for depth. But if it's true that we're looking to bring back Barbosa, then we might be saving that room exception for him.
    We weren't using MLE money to sign Green and Augustine, we should have the full 5 million, since we weren't paying the Luxury Tax last season, unless i'm completely reading the provision incorrectly. We signed green and Augustin with our own cap space that was free before officially inking Hibbert and Hill, why would that effect our MLE, which applies even if the MLE itself is the reason for going over the cap?
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    We weren't using MLE money to sign Green and Augustine, we should have the full 5 million, since we weren't paying the Luxury Tax last season, unless i'm completely reading the provision incorrectly. We signed green and Augustin with our own cap space that was free before officially inking Hibbert and Hill, why would that effect our MLE, which applies even if the MLE itself is the reason for going over the cap?
    Can't have both cap space and full MLE in the same season. Or to be more precise technically, the MLE counts against the cap and we would have to waive it in order to use our cap space to sign players.

    See: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26

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    Can't have both cap space and full MLE in the same season. Or to be more precise technically, the MLE counts against the cap and we would have to waive it in order to use our cap space to sign players.

    See: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26
    Thanks for the link. It is a good read.

    We don't have the full MLE this year but we do have the Mini MLE/ Room MLE of 2.5mil. We are over the cap this year though. As long as we stay below the tax threshold we will have the full MLE next season.

    My guess is if we can get Barbosa to agree to the MMLE then that would be the best option we have left of adding a bench scorer.

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    I'm still getting used to this new CBA. Are we 100% sure we have some smaller version of the MLE right now? Is it 2.5, 2.75, or 3m?

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    I'm still getting used to this new CBA. Are we 100% sure we have some smaller version of the MLE right now? Is it 2.5, 2.75, or 3m?
    Yes we should have the (new) room exception. It's actually worth $2.575m this season.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

    ROOM MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION -- This exception is available only to teams that drop far enough below the cap to use cap room, and lose their Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level and Taxpayer Mid-Level exceptions (see question number 26). This exception cannot be used if the team has already used the Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level or Taxpayer Mid-Level exceptions. This exception becomes available once the team salary drops far enough that the team loses its other exceptions, and expires following the last day of the regular season.

    This exception allows a team to sign any free agent, starting at up to the following amounts:

    Season First-year salary
    2011-12 $2.500 million
    2012-13 $2.575 million


    This exception may be split and given to multiple players. It may be used for contracts up to two years in length, with raises up to 4.5% of the salary in the first year of the contract. Signing a player to a multi-year contract does not affect a team's ability to use this exception every year -- for example, a team can use this exception to sign a player to a two-year contract, and use it again the following year to sign another player. Also see question number 26 for more information on the availability and use of this exception.

    Once a team has used this exception, it can no longer use the Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level or Taxpayer Mid-Level exception.

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    Default Re: So how much cap space do we have left?

    I think we should have at least the room exception which is 2.5M I think.

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    Default Re: So how much cap space do we have left?

    Barbosa's cap hold was ~$8 million, so no, we do not still have his Bird Rights.

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    Default Re: So how much cap space do we have left?

    Also, the Pacers only have 12 players under contract because Orlando Johnson hasn't been signed yet. I'm not saying he won't be signed but as of right now he isn't under contract.

    Baring a trade, I think the Pacers are done with Free Agency.

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