Last edited by CableKC; 07-13-2012 at 12:42 AM.
Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.
This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.
All this "one bad month" and "system wasn't right for him" doesn't change his FG%, his lack of any post move or any post shot that involves 2 hands or being shot from above his shoulder height, and the fact that just as in college an unnaturally large portion of his points come from the FT line due to his out of control flailing near the rim...which people incorrectly describe as "hustle".
West hustles just as much, but his smooth moves in the post hide his effort behind a mask of ease. And rotating poorly on defense, much worse than guys like Paul or Danny do, is definitely not "hustle".
Since then there's been a lot of "you'll see" and "give him a break", but I'm still waiting on different results than I saw him produce at UNC.
The fan reaction to Tyler has been embarrassing. He gets cheered more than any player, has more fans than any player, has more jersey's, and people holding photos, poster, etc to be signed...when Gnome and I went to Houston 2 years ago one fan brought a PAINTED, FRAMED picture of him that was about 4' x 3'. And I'm supposed to feel bad about negative comments about his game? No, what Tyler defenders should feel bad about is that Danny, Roy, Paul, West and even Hill should DWARF Tyler in fan reaction, support, jersey sales, etc and yet this (self edit) fanbase hasn't produced that. All I can say is thank god for Area 55 or it would really be embarrassing.
I'm saying "enough is enough". And frankly Troy and Dun make great comparisons because in those cases enough was enough as well. Think about the 10m Dun was getting when discussing some of these recent acquisitions. I just don't see how anyone could view Troy or Dun's impact as equal to West for 10m. And that's why they were whipping boys.
Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 07-13-2012 at 12:58 AM.
I like DJ's aggressiveness as a scorer. He's a much better scorer than Collison. His game is nearly identical to Jameer Nelson's. He's about the same size too. I'm glad the Pacers got him for a great price and it's only for 1 year.
Last edited by Roaming Gnome; 07-13-2012 at 06:34 AM. Reason: convenince
Tyler is bad. He has one skill. Bumping into people to draw fouls.
Anyone who plays NBA 2K12 or whatever the stupid things is called should be banned from all public message boards.
Tyler is pretty good in 2k though. Much better than real life. He can make mid range shots and has some post moves and goes up for strong dunks.
How anyone can watch him play consistently and call him one of the best backup 4s in the league honestly baffles me.
No, I pretty much just blame Tyler for no post moves, tons of FGAs despite a 35-40% typical make rate, no vertical play on either end (he can't defend the glass at rim height at all and relies on a "ground game" to scrum up rebounds), and terrible defensive awareness.
As PF go he doesn't rank "good for backups", he ranks near dead last by a good margin in FG% because most PFs supplement their shooting with 99% at the rim rates, something Tyler does not do. His numbers have always been nearly identical to or slightly worse than McRoberts. And I know this because I had to drag them out for about a billion rant filled debates on PD. I mean I like Josh and wanted him to stay here, but as a backup PF with hops who was a decent bargain for the money, not as one of the elite PF backups in the NBA.
So how does his number turn into "elite backup" when attached to Tyler?
Put down the joystick and watch real BB.
Average NBA PF = 8.8 ppg
Tyler = 9.3
Average NBA PF = 4.7 rpg
Tyler = 4.4
This is a BACKUP we are talking about and he is still statistically average in a very down year. The previous year he was above average and I believe he will be much better this coming season. But to suggest Tyler is a bust just shows ignorance of the real game..
The hidden plus to this pickup is that DJ has quietly developed into one of the league's best playmakers. Can't say overall he's a better player than DC, but with our crap assist numbers, he's a better fit for us.
According to Draftexpress, DJ finished 6th and 10th in Pure Point Rating among PGs in 2012 and 2011. Even more impressive when you consider he did this with bricklayers like Gerald Henderson out on the wing. DC in comparison finished out of the top 25, both this season and last.
I'm not going to argue with someone who can't have a debate w/o accusing the other side of being ignorant and not understanding basketball. It's just childish.