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    Here is Hollingers ESPN Insider Take on Augustin:

    + Quick, tiny point guard with accurate outside shot and slick handle.

    + Struggles defensively due to lack of size, especially when posted up.

    + Improved passer and distributor. Just average finisher. Excellent foul shooter.

    Augustin got the locals excited with a month of strong play immediately after Larry Brown's dismissal, but the rest of his season looked remarkably similar to how he played under Brown. For the season he showed his greatest improvement as a floor general, ranking 13th in Pure Point Rating after having more of a scoring mentality his first two seasons.

    Not that he couldn't score; Augustin averaged 17.2 points per 40 minutes even though he had a down year from beyond the arc. He converted only 33.3 percent, but I'd expect that to improve; he made 44 percent of his long 2s and shot 90.6 percent from the line. Where Augustin also needs to do better is at the rim. He made only 53.8 percent of his shots from there, and while he's at it he should work on a teardrop too -- he was 34-of-115 between 3 and 15 feet. He drew fouls, though, and rarely missed from the line, so his True Shooting Percentage was solid.

    One thing all the metrics agree on is that Augustin is a bad defensive player. He rated in the bottom quarter of point guards according to Synergy Stats; allowed a 17.2 opponent PER according to 82games.com; and the Bobcats gave up 7.91 points per 100 possessions more with him on the court last season. Also, there's the visual stuff. Augustin is small, and he doesn't move his feet particularly well on defense. For a quick little guard, it was surprising to see only four point guards stole the ball less frequently.

    For that reason, he may have trouble hanging onto a starting gig for long. Teams can live with a bad defender at the point if he's a dynamic offensive player, but Augustin isn't quite there yet.
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    Still not sold on Lance. Summer league all star means nothing to me.
    you may be right. not saying you're wrong.

    This is still a stop gap move. DJ is just a guy. If Lance cannot play, then the Pacers will be in the market next year for a different guy.

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    Great move, modest contract. Now, how much do we have left. Can we still sign another shooter and or resign barbs? Who could we hip Hans potentially for as a recognized 2?
    That was my question, too. Does anybody have the numbers??? We had about 10 Mio before yesterday...now we moved DC and DJ and got Mahinmi and saved 1.8...then we will sign Green to 3 Mio and DJA to about 3.5 Mio...means we have about 5.3 Mio in capspace?! Damn I hate maths

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    I'm sure it's posted somewhere, but how much cap space will we have next year?

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    I'm glad they got Augustin considering they were out a PG, but if you would have asked me a week ago what I thought about essentially replacing DC with Augustin, I would have said "meh, probably not". Still don't think this really addresses the problem at PG. But I suppose it's unfair to expect a flawless team.
    I wouldn't have traded Collison for Augustin either but knowing that we have a legit point guard to replace him, the Mahinimi deal looks good.

    At first glance you're just like, Mahinimi... eh. But when you compare him to Amundson, huuuuuge upgrade. He's shooting 56.1% on his career while Amundson shot 43.0% for us last year. He also shoots 70% from the ft line compared to Amundson who shoots 45%. Big guys get hammered a lot so it'll be nice to have a guy who can make his free throws and even better, he won't throw away possessions with terrible shots. Plus, he's 2 inches taller.

    So I'm fine with giving up Collison for Augustin since Mahinimi should be a great back up to Hibbert.
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    Okay. I'm not opposed to an Augustine-Hill starting backcourt. I don't think that's the best use of the roster (who's the backup PG?), but the primary role of both backcourt players should be to feed the ball to Hibbert and West.
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    Hopefully Augustin does to PG what he did to Durant at Texas, lol
    Why so SERIOUS

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    This is an outstanding deal. I'm surprised Augustin took it honestly.

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    Okay. I'm not opposed to an Augustine-Hill starting backcourt. I don't think that's the best use of the roster (who's the backup PG?), but the primary role of both backcourt players should be to feed the ball to Hibbert and West.
    Am I missing something? Why would that be the starting back court?

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    In the right situation he can be a very solid offensive player. Last year he struggled a good bit, and it showed in his percentages, but I'd expect him to be much more useful in a situation that isn't as toxic as Charlotte's was. I think he's a nice fit as a change of pace type guard who can create some offense for others. If last year is a statistical aberration as it appears to be, this is a really, really nice pickup.

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    I think Augustin just needed a new start anyways. I really do think he'll play well in his role. There is no doubt he is more talented than DC. He has the tools to be a better passer, defender and scorer. But up to this point in his career obviously he has showcased nothing.

    I think he'll do well in a good system though. And that's where he is. The 2012/13 Pacers are the 2011/12 Spurs! lol We're given a lot of guys their second chance...
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    guess we will pay him the MLE if he has a great year? Why didn't we give him a 2 year deal or at least a 1+1 so we could at least have early bird rights.

    Next year we arent gonna be able to do much to add on. Resigning DJ would use our main exception.


    Love getting DJ one of my favorite offensive pgs but we needed to get his Bird rights(wish we could of S&T Stanko or what not just to get his bird rights).
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    We finally get the guy I wanted in the 2008 draft, so I'm super stoked.

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    This is an outstanding deal. I'm surprised Augustin took it honestly.

    It can't hurt to go from one of the worst teams to one of the best in the east.
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    Take a look at DJ's numbers. He shoots more often than DC and at a much worse clip.

    Also, our system does not allow for a great number of assists by our pgs. DJ's assist numbers will be down, that's a guarantee.

    Augustin shot often b/c who else could score besides him and Henderson?





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    ALRIGHT! The 6' PG that shot 37% from the field on the 7 win team?! NICE.

    Actual Efficiency Stats
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    Record
    Points/
    100 Poss
    Poss Used/
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    Darren Collison 1878:2 105.4 102.3 3.1 49.4 - 32.6 17.1 19.3 0.8 20.9 23.8 1.1
    D.J. Augustin 1408:28 96.7 111.3 -14.6 10 - 72 19.4 23.5 0.9 21.8 22.4 1.1
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    Indiana with
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    104.5 104.6 -0.1 40.7 - 41.3
    Indiana with
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    105.4 102.3 3.1 49.4 - 32.6
    Change -0.9 -2.3 -3.2 -8.7 wins
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    Indiana Current 104.8 101.2 3.6 42 - 24
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    104.3 102.5 1.8 9 - 7
    Combined Results 104.7 101.5 3.2 51 - 31
    Yet he averaged more assists with that horrific team than any Pacer did. Hmmmm

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    It can't hurt to go from one of the worst teams to one of the best in the east.
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    I like this deal. Solid all the way around. As a player, I like Collison better than Augustin, but Augustin is more of a natural distributor and I think our team needs that more than Collison's "dribbling with blinders" mentality. This makes me feel better, especially at the price, but that deal with Dallas is still a bonafide head scratcher for me.

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    i'd take 20 bucks a year to get out of CHA
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    I think the Pacers improved the bench all around this offseason, and did it very cheaply too. I'm happy with the offseason so far.

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    LOL at the stats regarding Collison vs Augustin's productivity as Pacers. Until Augustin plays with this group, we have no idea if he will be better, worse or the same. The difference (in talent) between the two is negligible and they are different players, they both may end up having career years on different teams...who knows.

    Bottom line is that the FO addressed the needs of the team, kept our starting five together and didn't spend stupid money on mediocre players like the rest of the league. Everyone complaining needs to chill. From a talent perspective, it's easy to say that we didn't improve by leaps and bounds...but its about more than talent, maybe our new additions will have better chemistry or maybe it will be worse. Until the games are played, we won't know.
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    Because Hill should be playing at the 2.
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    6.4 assists on the Bobcats in 29.3mpg last season is very impressive.

    Hopefully he sticks to distributing and only takes the shot if it's there. Someone suggested he start over George Hill and maybe that makes sense because Ganger, West, Hibbert and PG can all score. Who would Augustin distribute to off the bench? Gerald Green? We wouldn't need Augustin to score if he started. George Hill can score on his own so bringing another scorer off the bench might be a good idea. Originally I would have said no way Augustin should start over Hill but it would kind of make sense actually.

    I'll just trust the management at this point because everything is looking a lot better since they draft Plumlee and traded Collison the other day. Things are looking good and I won't doubt them anymore at this point.

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    Great news. Can anyone tell me why we only did 1 year though? Augustin has potential IMO.

    Augustin has a history of pouting if he can't start. Unless you think he is the Pacer starting point guard of the future, it is probably best to just rent him for one year.
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