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    WARNING: MASSIVE TYLER DERAIL (you knew it was coming....ps, I'm excited about DJ as a bench PG who could maybe start with GH as the scoring 6th man star)



    It's like people don't think that other people know about B-ball reference.com or something.

    So I asked for all players 6'9" to 7'0" listed as PF or F-C only (not C-F or C) and said that the player's season had to qualify for the MPG leaderboard (not be a leader but meet the requirements for consideration).
    All single seasons in the last 3 years, so any players that played all 3 years could make the list 3 times

    http://bkref.com/tiny/L6Znu

    I sorted by eFG% (adjusted for 3PM FG%) and at #165 of 166 came Tyler's 11-12 season. The only dude listed below that was Ben Wallace's 11-12 season. Tyler also ranked at 144 with his "good" season of 10-11. 09-10 he didn't qualify due to injury (but his FG% sucked so it's just as well).

    Some guys WAY up the list from there - Casspi, J Thompson, Taj Gibson, Darrell Arthur, Donte Green, Carl Landry, Harrington, H Warrick...it's a long list.


    So what? He's a PF not a scoring specialist. Well just how does he rank in FGA/36 I wonder...
    http://bkref.com/tiny/EAwUh
    53rd in 10-11 with 14.4 per 36
    97th in 11-12 with 12 per 36 (at least it went down a little bit)

    So he shoots horrible but takes them like he's not too shabby. Interesting comparison here with JAMES JOHNSON...you know, super elite backup PF Johnson
    11-12 nearly identical FGA, 7.2 to 6.7 reb (adv Tyler barely), 45% to 40% shooting (adv James obviously).

    Yes, James Johnson in his 11-12 season with Toronto put up basically better total key numbers than Tyler did in 11-12. But Tyler is an elite backup? So now that makes Johnson an elite backup too I guess?


    But he's a rebounding machine (pretend you didn't just see the spoiler in the JJ comparison)
    http://bkref.com/tiny/w4OTT

    Hey, look at that, he comes in at 79th for his 10-11 season with an 8.6 per 36. TIED WITH MCROBERTS own 10-11 season with Indy and his same 8.6. but not quite enough to match Blatche's own 10-11 season of 8.7
    Keep in mind that Josh "cost too much" at 3m, whereas Tyler is a great deal at....3m.

    Considering the identical stat at rebounding, with Josh leading him in FG%, blocks and obviously assists, why in the F did the Pacers agree to keep paying Tyler (rather than trading) while letting Josh walk for the same money? (cough Bird)


    Anyway, Tyler also made the list at 118th with his 11-12 season which is totally awesome. I mean not Jerebko or N Collison or H Warrick or Aminu awesome, but certainly way better than I could do (which I think must be the benchmark we've set for "elite backup PF")*


    But his rim defense, he's a tough dude that intimidates in that classic Dale PF way. It must be that because so far it's either "meh" to "suck" which doesn't seem to match elite, but WTF do I know.
    http://bkref.com/tiny/t3jx8

    Atta boy, tied for 145th...or 158 depending on which end of the ties at 0.4 blocks per 36 you put him at. When Luis Scola blocks as many shots as you do, you might have to consider that a lot of your blocks are either accidents or are being misapplied to you by the stats guys.

    Tyler comes in strong for a 2nd showing tied at 162nd to dead last with his 0.2 blk per 36 in 11-12. (why did I look, it only hurts more to see Josh's 10-11 blocks ranked 47th, his 11-12 season didn't have enough PT to qualify)


    Near worst in shooting, worst in shot blocking, average at best in rebounding....but hey, slightly better than average in chucking up a shot.


    And just when you want to dismiss the stats as misleading, a quick check of his FTA/36 puts him at 12th and 23rd. Funny how the one thing his critics acknowledge he does well is the one way in which he statistically shines.
    http://bkref.com/tiny/5IOLB

    One more "can you believe they paid Tyler 3m but not Josh" stat check...assists
    http://bkref.com/tiny/xvZ4I
    Josh 10-11 ranks 16th, surrounded by Odom and Garnett
    Tyler ranks tied for 144-153 (with Lou of 10-11 PHX) and 159-162.
    Thank god for 3 seasons of Ibaka and 1 year of Kantner to keep Tyler from ranking last again. Too bad for Tyler that Ibaka actually dunks his way to 53% shooting and blocks 15-20 times more shots (no, literally)







    * most of this section should be read in my best Archer sarcastic voice impersonation.

    And I'm sure it just make me a giant d-bag to have this tone, but F anyone that has me up at 2AM researching, linking and verifying all the statistical evidence that any damn Pacers fan should already know. I'm a lot friendlier before I read stuff like "tyler is an elite backup" or "why are people so down on Tyler", as if this numbers are a big secret or surprise.
    dude, you need to lay off the caffeine at night.

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    To quote JT, JMOAA

    Tyler is undersized and under athletic. That is a God given problem. He does have some skills and to stay in the league, he needs to add more. Mostly he needs to learn how to use his left hand. The league has 'figured him out' and he needs to develop the counter to that. If he can add to his skill set, he can be a productive player. None of the things he needs to do are impossible except grow taller and jump higher. The rest of the things both offensively and defensively can be learned. It seems hating on Tyler as never being able to get better is just as silly as saying he is really good. The truth as always is somewhere in the middle.

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    Default Re: Pacers get DJ Augustin for one year

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    NICE post, UNTIL you brought up McBob. NEITHER, Hansbrough or McBob, is worth 3 mil a year. I'll be surprised if either is in the league in 2-3 years. The Lakers saw fairly quickly McBob was more McDud than they expected as he went from starter to little used benchsetter. The Lakers brought in Jordan Hill who couldn't make it with either the Knicks who drafted him or in Houston b/c the Lakers bigs, Murphy and McBob, weren't cutting it. I said when the Lakers brought in Hill that he was McBob's replacement... AND he was. Some need to get over Hansbrough wonderfulness as others need to get over McBob's wonderfulness, b/c neither are as wonderful as some want to believe. "It would have been nice if they had been", but the cold hard facts are they just aren't. It's time to move on from which is the best, or which should have been kept. As far as I'm concerned, neither has nor ever will live up to their hype from HS/College. I wasn't sorry to see McBob go, and I'm looking forward to the day Hansbro isn't a Pacer any longer. Neither is a hot trade commodity, so I expect both to finish out their contracts with their current clubs.
    Tell me he ain't a McRoberts guy! This explains some things.

    McRoberts is a contract year guy. He will suddenly look like a good deal the last half year of his current contract. I dont' know what Hans is. But if he doesn't drastically improve his FG% and rebounding, he will be in the D league when his contract comes up.

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    Tell me he ain't a McRoberts guy! This explains some things. . .
    yes, Seth is a big McRoberts guy.

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    John Hollinger ‏@johnhollinger
    One other distinction on Collison vs. Augustin: If Augustin has good year, he's gone; no Bird Rights. Collison was RFA.
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    I still like the move, but I honestly didn't think about that.

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    McRoberts?


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    Default Re: Pacers get DJ Augustin for one year

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    John Hollinger ‏@johnhollinger
    One other distinction on Collison vs. Augustin: If Augustin has good year, he's gone; no Bird Rights. Collison was RFA.
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    I still like the move, but I honestly didn't think about that.
    We weren't gonna match an offer for Collison if he got one anyways.

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    We weren't gonna match an offer for Collison if he got one anyways.
    No, I understand that. I'm saying that if we would happen to extend West this year and lose our cap again, and Augustin has a great year after moving to a winning team, we would probably have to make some tough decisions to keep him.

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    He starts over Hill if not before the season starts by the midway point.

    You'll see.
    I don't think so because Hill is locked into a 5 year contract for big money. The Pacers are not going to let him backup for the money he's going to make.

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    Default Re: Pacers get DJ Augustin for one year

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    We weren't gonna match an offer for Collison if he got one anyways.
    Could have did a sign and trade though, just saying...
    Why so SERIOUS

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    No, I understand that. I'm saying that if we would happen to extend West this year and lose our cap again, and Augustin has a great year after moving to a winning team, we would probably have to make some tough decisions to keep him.
    unless DJ jumps into a phone booth and emerges as CP3, i don't think it matters. If he has a great season, then the Pacers get good production from minimal investment. I just don't see DJ as a long term investment by the B&G. Someone offers him big money, Pacers say good bye and good luck and start looking for another backup PG.

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    Default Re: Pacers get DJ Augustin for one year

    Well this solved the we now don't have a actual pg on the roster problem

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    yes, Seth is a big McRoberts guy.
    And I like McRoberts. For what he is. An OK backup for 10mpg that needs his butt kicked continually so he won't be lazy. I think he would be an excellent backup C/PF is he got motivated. On LAL he is content to sit at the end of the bench and soak up the paycheck.

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    Well this solved the we now don't have a actual pg on the roster problem
    True. He is a real PG. Good passer and playmaker. I'm kind of excited to see what the Pacer's put on the court this year.

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    since we are busy bumping threads, this one is laughable

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    I'm loving our front office so far, this is what a front office is supposed to do.
    my favorite post this thread

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    This one is pure gold. Holy Christ. It's amazing the amount of people who thought DJ would actually start on this team. Uh, good thing we're not scouts.

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    unless DJ jumps into a phone booth and emerges as CP3, i don't think it matters. If he has a great season, then the Pacers get good production from minimal investment. I just don't see DJ as a long term investment by the B&G. Someone offers him big money, Pacers say good bye and good luck and start looking for another backup PG.
    This one is mine.

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    So are we bumping every thread now.

    in my personal opinion, the better way to do this is to make a new thread with links to 3 or 4 old threads

    imo
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    Default Re: Pacers get DJ Augustin for one year

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    ALRIGHT! The 6' PG that shot 37% from the field on the 7 win team?! NICE.

    Actual Efficiency Stats
    Time Offensive
    Efficiency
    Defensive
    Efficiency
    Net
    Efficiency
    Pythagorean
    Record
    Points/
    100 Poss
    Poss Used/
    100 Poss
    Off Rebs/
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    Against
    Points/
    100 Poss
    Against
    Poss Used/
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    Against
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    Darren Collison 1878:2 105.4 102.3 3.1 49.4 - 32.6 17.1 19.3 0.8 20.9 23.8 1.1
    D.J. Augustin 1408:28 96.7 111.3 -14.6 10 - 72 19.4 23.5 0.9 21.8 22.4 1.1
    Indiana Efficiency Stats With D.J. Augustin replacing Darren Collison
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    Efficiency
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    Efficiency
    Net Efficiency Pythagorean
    Record
    Indiana with
    D.J. Augustin
    104.5 104.6 -0.1 40.7 - 41.3
    Indiana with
    Darren Collison
    105.4 102.3 3.1 49.4 - 32.6
    Change -0.9 -2.3 -3.2 -8.7 wins
    Projected Impact of Swap on Indiana's Final Record
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    Efficiency
    Defensive
    Efficiency
    Net Efficiency Actual/Pythagorean
    Record
    Indiana Current 104.8 101.2 3.6 42 - 24
    Projected with
    D.J. Augustin
    over remaining
    16 games
    104.3 102.5 1.8 9 - 7
    Combined Results 104.7 101.5 3.2 51 - 31


    This was a fantastic post, and yet largely ignored and the one guy that responds does so with "hurr durr but Augstin had more assists durp"


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    today I learned sometimes people that like to watch sports are sometimes wrong about sports. this has been a worthwhile exercise.

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    Ugh, when I saw this thread I thought we brought him back. Thank goodness.

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    Ugh, when I saw this thread I thought we brought him back. Thank goodness.

    And that is one very good reason not to bump old threads

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    Can we just ban the next person to bump a thread for 3 days?
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    my favorite post this thread

    His account must of been hacked

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