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    Put down the joystick and watch real BB.
    Average NBA PF = 8.8 ppg
    Tyler = 9.3

    Average NBA PF = 4.7 rpg
    Tyler = 4.4

    This is a BACKUP we are talking about and he is still statistically average in a very down year. The previous year he was above average and I believe he will be much better this coming season. But to suggest Tyler is a bust just shows ignorance of the real game..
    How about 60th in true shooting percentage and 69th in rebound rate? He's got to be one of the least efficient players possible. Your insults about video games also make no sense. Hansbrough is a major bust.

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    I'm not going to argue with someone who can't have a debate w/o accusing the other side of being ignorant and not understanding basketball. It's just childish.
    Childish like your "just baffles" me comment wasnt an insult? Childish is dishing it out and not being able to take it.
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    He basically averaged about 12 minutes, so I would have to disagree. If that is your angle, then I would say that Grangers play wasn't all that great therefore his role in our losses was even more significant.
    All I can say is watch the games again, and rewind and rewatch every Tyler mistake that contributes to a Heat run that costs us the leads that our starters built.

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    I don't blame Lou. I watched every game 3 times. Tyler cost us a lot against Miami.
    defensively I agree(and offensively he sucked too) he got lost more that series than I had ever seen a guy on defense. It was like he was playing his first time ever just weird.

    I will say this I liked Plumlee more coming out than Tyler (not saying much I wouldn't of drafted the guy at all hated his game NBA wise) he at least talks on defense and is in decent position(even though he reacts late a lot)

    I feel like with Tyler he thinks he is playing an individual sport on defense it is really odd.

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    All I can say is watch the games again, and rewind and rewatch every Tyler mistake that contributes to a Heat run that costs us the leads that our starters built.
    Dude, you need to seek some help for that. Watching 1 players mistakes over and over again just seems wrong.

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    All I can say is watch the games again, and rewind and rewatch every Tyler mistake that contributes to a Heat run that costs us the leads that our starters built.
    I'm not saying Tyler is some kind of basketball god, but he isn't nearly as bad as what many here are acting like. Disregarding his 1st season since he didn't play, the dude has 2 years under his belt. He struggled this year, and played pretty well last. He has been doomed since Larry "wasted" the pick on him, but I think he will bounce back. That being said the man that is supposed to carry this team scored 18 points in 77 minutes through the first two games of the semi-finals. I would place more of the blame right there, and I like Granger.
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    The hidden plus to this pickup is that DJ has quietly developed into one of the league's best playmakers. Can't say overall he's a better player than DC, but with our crap assist numbers, he's a better fit for us.

    According to Draftexpress, DJ finished 6th and 10th in Pure Point Rating among PGs in 2012 and 2011. Even more impressive when you consider he did this with bricklayers like Gerald Henderson out on the wing. DC in comparison finished out of the top 25, both this season and last.
    Hmmm....we could be in trouble then. Bricklayer Gerald Henderson's FG% was .459 while our wings Paul George was at .440 and Danny Granger at .416

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    Childish like your "just baffles" me comment wasnt an insult? Childish is dishing it out and not being able to take it.
    If you took it that way then my bad. I was being honest. It legitimately baffles me how someone can watch him consistently and call him one of the league's best backup 4s. I really honestly do not understand how someone can see that.

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    He basically averaged about 12 minutes, so I would have to disagree. If that is your angle, then I would say that Grangers play wasn't all that great therefore his role in our losses was even more significant.
    I wouldn't blame Danny Boy too much for our loss. He obviously didn't play great but chasing Lebron around on defense for 6 games will do that.

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    Gerald Henderson isnt as bad as you guys are making him out to be. That said, he's in no way a 2nd option

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    Very excited to see what Augustin can do with a winning program like us.
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    Anyone who plays NBA 2K12 or whatever the stupid things is called should be banned from all public message boards.
    Someone just got banned from my personal viewership on this public message board. Thanks ignore feature.

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    If you took it that way then my bad. I was being honest. It legitimately baffles me how someone can watch him consistently and call him one of the league's best backup 4s. I really honestly do not understand how someone can see that.
    Ok, dude! We can disagree and not be mean with it! I believe you werent being insulting! Thanks for the clear up!
    I honestly think if you look at Tyler in a vacuum as a "backup" then he is not the disaster folks are suggesting. The two teams in the Finals this year had Haslem and Nick Collison as backup PF's. I would not trade Tyler for either one. Most Backup PF's are not starting for the same reasons Tyler is not. Their game is not refined and they dont do enough good things to start.
    And another thing to remember is that Tyler is coming off a bad year. Instead of improving off a solid 2011 he went backwards. Let's wait and see if a normal season without all the back to backs and not having to play with his clone (Lou) produces better results. I think it will!

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    The two teams in the Finals this year had Haslem and Nick Collison as backup PF's. I would not trade Tyler for either one.
    Rut ro. Im guessing this isnt gonna go over well. Im thinking not many around here are gonna want u to be their team's GM anytime soon based on this player evaluation.

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    If you wouldn't trade Hansbrough for Haslem, you're crazy. Haslem is a far superior rebounder and defender. And he can play some center. His jumpshot is far more consistent as well.

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    This was a great acquisition. Perfect confluence of events that allowed us to swoop in and nab him at a low price this year. Gives us one year to find an actual backup or a starting PG to get Hill back to the bench.

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    WARNING: MASSIVE TYLER DERAIL (you knew it was coming....ps, I'm excited about DJ as a bench PG who could maybe start with GH as the scoring 6th man star)



    It's like people don't think that other people know about B-ball reference.com or something.

    So I asked for all players 6'9" to 7'0" listed as PF or F-C only (not C-F or C) and said that the player's season had to qualify for the MPG leaderboard (not be a leader but meet the requirements for consideration).
    All single seasons in the last 3 years, so any players that played all 3 years could make the list 3 times

    http://bkref.com/tiny/L6Znu

    I sorted by eFG% (adjusted for 3PM FG%) and at #165 of 166 came Tyler's 11-12 season. The only dude listed below that was Ben Wallace's 11-12 season. Tyler also ranked at 144 with his "good" season of 10-11. 09-10 he didn't qualify due to injury (but his FG% sucked so it's just as well).

    Some guys WAY up the list from there - Casspi, J Thompson, Taj Gibson, Darrell Arthur, Donte Green, Carl Landry, Harrington, H Warrick...it's a long list.


    So what? He's a PF not a scoring specialist. Well just how does he rank in FGA/36 I wonder...
    http://bkref.com/tiny/EAwUh
    53rd in 10-11 with 14.4 per 36
    97th in 11-12 with 12 per 36 (at least it went down a little bit)

    So he shoots horrible but takes them like he's not too shabby. Interesting comparison here with JAMES JOHNSON...you know, super elite backup PF Johnson
    11-12 nearly identical FGA, 7.2 to 6.7 reb (adv Tyler barely), 45% to 40% shooting (adv James obviously).

    Yes, James Johnson in his 11-12 season with Toronto put up basically better total key numbers than Tyler did in 11-12. But Tyler is an elite backup? So now that makes Johnson an elite backup too I guess?


    But he's a rebounding machine (pretend you didn't just see the spoiler in the JJ comparison)
    http://bkref.com/tiny/w4OTT

    Hey, look at that, he comes in at 79th for his 10-11 season with an 8.6 per 36. TIED WITH MCROBERTS own 10-11 season with Indy and his same 8.6. but not quite enough to match Blatche's own 10-11 season of 8.7
    Keep in mind that Josh "cost too much" at 3m, whereas Tyler is a great deal at....3m.

    Considering the identical stat at rebounding, with Josh leading him in FG%, blocks and obviously assists, why in the F did the Pacers agree to keep paying Tyler (rather than trading) while letting Josh walk for the same money? (cough Bird)


    Anyway, Tyler also made the list at 118th with his 11-12 season which is totally awesome. I mean not Jerebko or N Collison or H Warrick or Aminu awesome, but certainly way better than I could do (which I think must be the benchmark we've set for "elite backup PF")*


    But his rim defense, he's a tough dude that intimidates in that classic Dale PF way. It must be that because so far it's either "meh" to "suck" which doesn't seem to match elite, but WTF do I know.
    http://bkref.com/tiny/t3jx8

    Atta boy, tied for 145th...or 158 depending on which end of the ties at 0.4 blocks per 36 you put him at. When Luis Scola blocks as many shots as you do, you might have to consider that a lot of your blocks are either accidents or are being misapplied to you by the stats guys.

    Tyler comes in strong for a 2nd showing tied at 162nd to dead last with his 0.2 blk per 36 in 11-12. (why did I look, it only hurts more to see Josh's 10-11 blocks ranked 47th, his 11-12 season didn't have enough PT to qualify)


    Near worst in shooting, worst in shot blocking, average at best in rebounding....but hey, slightly better than average in chucking up a shot.


    And just when you want to dismiss the stats as misleading, a quick check of his FTA/36 puts him at 12th and 23rd. Funny how the one thing his critics acknowledge he does well is the one way in which he statistically shines.
    http://bkref.com/tiny/5IOLB

    One more "can you believe they paid Tyler 3m but not Josh" stat check...assists
    http://bkref.com/tiny/xvZ4I
    Josh 10-11 ranks 16th, surrounded by Odom and Garnett
    Tyler ranks tied for 144-153 (with Lou of 10-11 PHX) and 159-162.
    Thank god for 3 seasons of Ibaka and 1 year of Kantner to keep Tyler from ranking last again. Too bad for Tyler that Ibaka actually dunks his way to 53% shooting and blocks 15-20 times more shots (no, literally)







    * most of this section should be read in my best Archer sarcastic voice impersonation.

    And I'm sure it just make me a giant d-bag to have this tone, but F anyone that has me up at 2AM researching, linking and verifying all the statistical evidence that any damn Pacers fan should already know. I'm a lot friendlier before I read stuff like "tyler is an elite backup" or "why are people so down on Tyler", as if this numbers are a big secret or surprise.
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    Post of the year nominee, whether you agree or not, its just a piece of snarky art. Well done!!

    "Atta boy, tied for 145th...or 158 depending on which end of the ties at 0.4 blocks per 36 you put him at. When Luis Scola blocks as many shots as you do, you might have to consider that a lot of your blocks are either accidents or are being misapplied to you by the stats guys."

    I mean, how does it get much better than that!

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    The two teams in the Finals this year had Haslem and Nick Collison as backup PF's. I would not trade Tyler for either one.
    Oh gosh. Imagine how much better we'd have been last year with Haslem as our backup PF. It hurts my head.
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    Am I the only one that wishes Hansbrough would of been involved in this deal?
    I'm very glad he wasn't.

    I do not buy that matrics can dertmine whether a guy is a good defender. Only way to know is to watch the player defend.

    I would certainly hope that DJ is at least slightly better than Collison defensively
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    Come on guys, the "I told ya so's" about Hansbrough are silly and starting to get old. He regressed last year, and half of you are jumping on it like you knew that was going to happen, which... you didn't. Admit it. Hansbrough looked pretty damn good a season ago, he led our charge into our first post-season appearance in a few years and he took a lot of momentum into the Bulls 1st-round series where we played better than expected.

    He didn't look near as good last year. Why don't you all focus on "why" that's the case instead of just saying "he sucks, see, I told ya." Nice revisionist history, there, fellas.

    I support the guy, hell, even Vogel rode the Hansbrough Express when he was first promoted, with all the "NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY TYLER HANSBROUGH" stuff.

    So what happened? That's the bigger mystery to me. I think Hansbrough is capable of playing alot better, but why he regressed last year is the big question to me. I've always wondered if the kid has concussion issues.... but who knows. He didn't look the same last year.
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    Yess!

    Hill/DJ/Lance
    PG/Lance/OJ
    DG/Green/OJ
    West/Hans/Plum
    Roy/Ian/Plum

    Even with Plumlee as the third-string backup, that's a good lineup. That means we can still trade Hansbrough (if it's happening) for another asset. What else do we need?
    Green plays both wing spots.

    I see a tighter rotation unless the bench shows a lot of contribution. I don't look for Lance, OJ, Plumlee, or Pendergraph to be looked to for a lot of contribution.

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    Come on guys, the "I told ya so's" about Hansbrough are silly and starting to get old. He regressed last year, and half of you are jumping on it like you knew that was going to happen, which... you didn't. Admit it. Hansbrough looked pretty damn good a season ago, he led our charge into our first post-season appearance in a few years and he took a lot of momentum into the Bulls 1st-round series where we played better than expected.

    He didn't look near as good last year. Why don't you all focus on "why" that's the case instead of just saying "he sucks, see, I told ya." Nice revisionist history, there, fellas.

    I support the guy, hell, even Vogel rode the Hansbrough Express when he was first promoted, with all the "NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY TYLER HANSBROUGH" stuff.

    So what happened? That's the bigger mystery to me. I think Hansbrough is capable of playing alot better, but why he regressed last year is the big question to me. I've always wondered if the kid has concussion issues.... but who knows. He didn't look the same last year.
    Exactly. He is still an important part of the rotation until he plays his way out of it. I am sure the team and he are aware of his shortcomings and are working on them. But this is his year to disprove all the negatives. So, he either proves his worth or has an Austin Croshere career.

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    WARNING: MASSIVE TYLER DERAIL (you knew it was coming....ps, I'm excited about DJ as a bench PG who could maybe start with GH as the scoring 6th man star)



    It's like people don't think that other people know about B-ball reference.com or something.

    So I asked for all players 6'9" to 7'0" listed as PF or F-C only (not C-F or C) and said that the player's season had to qualify for the MPG leaderboard (not be a leader but meet the requirements for consideration).
    All single seasons in the last 3 years, so any players that played all 3 years could make the list 3 times

    http://bkref.com/tiny/L6Znu

    I sorted by eFG% (adjusted for 3PM FG%) and at #165 of 166 came Tyler's 11-12 season. The only dude listed below that was Ben Wallace's 11-12 season. Tyler also ranked at 144 with his "good" season of 10-11. 09-10 he didn't qualify due to injury (but his FG% sucked so it's just as well).

    Some guys WAY up the list from there - Casspi, J Thompson, Taj Gibson, Darrell Arthur, Donte Green, Carl Landry, Harrington, H Warrick...it's a long list.


    So what? He's a PF not a scoring specialist. Well just how does he rank in FGA/36 I wonder...
    http://bkref.com/tiny/EAwUh
    53rd in 10-11 with 14.4 per 36
    97th in 11-12 with 12 per 36 (at least it went down a little bit)

    So he shoots horrible but takes them like he's not too shabby. Interesting comparison here with JAMES JOHNSON...you know, super elite backup PF Johnson
    11-12 nearly identical FGA, 7.2 to 6.7 reb (adv Tyler barely), 45% to 40% shooting (adv James obviously).

    Yes, James Johnson in his 11-12 season with Toronto put up basically better total key numbers than Tyler did in 11-12. But Tyler is an elite backup? So now that makes Johnson an elite backup too I guess?


    But he's a rebounding machine (pretend you didn't just see the spoiler in the JJ comparison)
    http://bkref.com/tiny/w4OTT

    Hey, look at that, he comes in at 79th for his 10-11 season with an 8.6 per 36. TIED WITH MCROBERTS own 10-11 season with Indy and his same 8.6. but not quite enough to match Blatche's own 10-11 season of 8.7
    Keep in mind that Josh "cost too much" at 3m, whereas Tyler is a great deal at....3m.

    Considering the identical stat at rebounding, with Josh leading him in FG%, blocks and obviously assists, why in the F did the Pacers agree to keep paying Tyler (rather than trading) while letting Josh walk for the same money? (cough Bird)


    Anyway, Tyler also made the list at 118th with his 11-12 season which is totally awesome. I mean not Jerebko or N Collison or H Warrick or Aminu awesome, but certainly way better than I could do (which I think must be the benchmark we've set for "elite backup PF")*


    But his rim defense, he's a tough dude that intimidates in that classic Dale PF way. It must be that because so far it's either "meh" to "suck" which doesn't seem to match elite, but WTF do I know.
    http://bkref.com/tiny/t3jx8

    Atta boy, tied for 145th...or 158 depending on which end of the ties at 0.4 blocks per 36 you put him at. When Luis Scola blocks as many shots as you do, you might have to consider that a lot of your blocks are either accidents or are being misapplied to you by the stats guys.

    Tyler comes in strong for a 2nd showing tied at 162nd to dead last with his 0.2 blk per 36 in 11-12. (why did I look, it only hurts more to see Josh's 10-11 blocks ranked 47th, his 11-12 season didn't have enough PT to qualify)


    Near worst in shooting, worst in shot blocking, average at best in rebounding....but hey, slightly better than average in chucking up a shot.


    And just when you want to dismiss the stats as misleading, a quick check of his FTA/36 puts him at 12th and 23rd. Funny how the one thing his critics acknowledge he does well is the one way in which he statistically shines.
    http://bkref.com/tiny/5IOLB

    One more "can you believe they paid Tyler 3m but not Josh" stat check...assists
    http://bkref.com/tiny/xvZ4I
    Josh 10-11 ranks 16th, surrounded by Odom and Garnett
    Tyler ranks tied for 144-153 (with Lou of 10-11 PHX) and 159-162.
    Thank god for 3 seasons of Ibaka and 1 year of Kantner to keep Tyler from ranking last again. Too bad for Tyler that Ibaka actually dunks his way to 53% shooting and blocks 15-20 times more shots (no, literally)







    * most of this section should be read in my best Archer sarcastic voice impersonation.

    And I'm sure it just make me a giant d-bag to have this tone, but F anyone that has me up at 2AM researching, linking and verifying all the statistical evidence that any damn Pacers fan should already know. I'm a lot friendlier before I read stuff like "tyler is an elite backup" or "why are people so down on Tyler", as if this numbers are a big secret or surprise.


    NICE post, UNTIL you brought up McBob. NEITHER, Hansbrough or McBob, is worth 3 mil a year. I'll be surprised if either is in the league in 2-3 years. The Lakers saw fairly quickly McBob was more McDud than they expected as he went from starter to little used benchsetter. The Lakers brought in Jordan Hill who couldn't make it with either the Knicks who drafted him or in Houston b/c the Lakers bigs, Murphy and McBob, weren't cutting it. I said when the Lakers brought in Hill that he was McBob's replacement... AND he was. Some need to get over Hansbrough wonderfulness as others need to get over McBob's wonderfulness, b/c neither are as wonderful as some want to believe. "It would have been nice if they had been", but the cold hard facts are they just aren't. It's time to move on from which is the best, or which should have been kept. As far as I'm concerned, neither has nor ever will live up to their hype from HS/College. I wasn't sorry to see McBob go, and I'm looking forward to the day Hansbro isn't a Pacer any longer. Neither is a hot trade commodity, so I expect both to finish out their contracts with their current clubs.

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