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    if we could of got a 1st rd pick without having to take back a bad contract im sure we would of done that. But realistically name a team who would give a 1st for DC?? I just don't see it he is a decent backup to ok starter but in this era of pgs there must be 50 guys like that in the NBA.
    I was one that said he was not 1st round pick worthy in my view, but for a team that needs PG depth badly, Pacers could have atleast got a 2nd round pick from the Mavs, I mean Kyle Lowry was traded for not just a 1st rounder but a lottery pick.

    I always thought DC's trade value was a early 2nd, unless there was a team that needed a strong backup PG.
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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story...cers-mavs-deal

    Between this highway robbery and the solid one-year, $8 million deal for Chris Kaman, the Mavs appear to have most of their work done. The team has more than $5 million in cap space available (I mistakenly tweeted $4 million Wednesday, but I hadn't removed Mahinmi's cap hold), which may be enough to win an amnesty auction for another solid player on a one-year deal, Elton Brand. If not, other frontcourt options are out there.
    How about this.... DC and DJones for Ian and Elton Brand? What if as part of this trade they limited Dallas bid on Brand to 5 million? That would mean the Pacers can bid 6 and there you go. Possible?

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    This is the damning part to me. Why not sign Ian to that deal and trade DC for a pick (which still clears his salary)?
    Who was offering us a pick for DC?
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    I was one that said he was not 1st round pick worthy in my view, but for a team that needs PG depth badly, Pacers could have atleast got a 2nd round pick from the Mavs, I mean Kyle Lowry was traded for not just a 1st rounder but a lottery pick.

    I always thought DC's trade value was a early 2nd, unless there was a team that needed a strong backup PG.
    Kyle Lowry played at an all star level last year. He was snubbed off the team do to depth but to put DC and Lowry in the same value ring isnt near true IMO.

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    Wow... "Hansbrough shot 40.5 percent from the floor last season, rebounded on the defensive end like a small forward and dished 30 assists the entire year."

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    First, ESPN's writers were laughing at us about the Plumlee pick.

    Now ESPN's writers are laughing at us about the Collison trade.



    I really hope we make people eat their words but it's pretty depressing when just about every sports writer and every fan think the moves we're making are stupid. It seems to be only Walsh, Pritchard, Bird and whoever else in the first office that think these are good moves. They better be right.
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    A salary dump? they were not making much... and to me their value was greater than their salaries.

    Good view.

    1.2 mil is the savings between DC & Dahntay's salary and the 4 mil for Mahinmi. Did the Pacers need the mil plus savings that badly? As Hollinger stated they could have just signed Mahinmi outright. Interested in seeing what else if anything the FO has coming up.

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    For some reason I have to use Quick Reply and can't quote. Why isn't that possible, KStat? If we know how much cap space they have, why can't we outbid them? Honest question.
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    It added 5 million (4 million with the Ian cap hold release) or so to the Mavs cap though...


    The numbers Ive heard make sense, I saw something yesterday Brand could get bid on as much as 9 million from Mavs, then Hollinger says they only have 5 million today, post moves last night. If you know the most cap room/highest bid the Mavs could make, you could get Brand for just over that for one year. I'd go so far to say, if they were really trying to sign and trade Tyler for DJ, that they had to have another PF lined up.... like Brand.

    Of course I could be wrong but I think its possible if the numbers are correct.

    In that scenario its DC/DJones/Hansbrough for Mahinmi, DJ, Green, and Brand, essentially. Thats a great haul for an expiring and two guys you weren't keeping past this year anyway, imo.
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    Kyle Lowry played at an all star level last year. He was snubbed off the team do to depth but to put DC and Lowry in the same value ring isnt near true IMO.
    I didn't I said if Lowry can get a lottery, then DC can get a early 2nd.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    I'm sorry. I've tried to wait a few days to let myself settle, but I am really disheartened by picking up Mahinmi. He's okay and had a few moments last season, but I simply can't put a positive spin on this, for me. I find Ian's basketball IQ suspect. I greet this acquisition with as much enthusiasm as picking up Solomon Jones. What REALLY bothers me is seeing Gustavo Ayon going to Orlando for Ryan Anderson. THAT is a guy I can see really fitting in here and considering what Orlando gave up for him, we could have matched that easily. I am more than willing to give him a chance, but this just feels like another move towards mediocrity.
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    It looks to me like DC's value was negative, like I said before why would a team give anything for DC if they can get an equal replacement in free agency?

    B/c either way that team is going to have pay. Why not trade player X that you don't need for DC? That way you are only paying one salary not 2 by signing a FA plus the player you already have.

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    I wish Roy would have just took his Qualifying offer and just shut up, lol j/p
    Why so SERIOUS

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    For some reason I have to use Quick Reply and can't quote. Why isn't that possible, KStat? If we know how much cap space they have, why can't we outbid them? Honest question.
    You can claim him, you just cant trade him if you do. You have to keep an amnestied player for at least a year.

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    Wow... "Hansbrough shot 40.5 percent from the floor last season, rebounded on the defensive end like a small forward and dished 30 assists the entire year."
    I can understand why you'd be mildly surprised by that line. It felt much worse than that.

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    Good view.

    1.2 mil is the savings between DC & Dahntay's salary and the 4 mil for Mahinmi. Did the Pacers need the mil plus savings that badly? As Hollinger stated they could have just signed Mahinmi outright. Interested in seeing what else if anything the FO has coming up.
    Dumping DC and Dahntay saved $5.2 million this year over signing Mahinmi outright.

    And they've already upgraded Dahntay's spot at a cost of $3 million (or whatever Green's first year salary is).

    Saved money and created roster flexibility.

    So the money dumped was significant.

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    KStat,

    I might be reading what Speed is saying wrong. I think he meant we may have made that trade knowing that it would only leave Dallas with 5 million in cap space, therefore we could offer Brand more.

    Is that what you were saying Speed?
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    Dumping DC and Dahntay saved $5.2 million this year over signing Mahinmi outright.

    And they've already upgraded Dahntay's spot at a cost of $3 million (or whatever Green's first year salary is).

    Saved money and created roster flexibility.

    So the money dumped was significant.
    So we basically traded DC making 2.3 mil for Mahinmi making 4 mill, and then swapped Dahntay making 2.9 mil, for Gerald Green making 3 mil, is this what you are saying?
    Why so SERIOUS

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    First, ESPN's writers were laughing at us about the Plumlee pick.

    Now ESPN's writers are laughing at us about the Collison trade.



    I really hope we make people eat their words but it's pretty depressing when just about every sports writer and every fan think the moves we're making are stupid. It seems to be only Walsh, Pritchard, Bird and whoever else in the first office that think these are good moves. They better be right.
    Don't single out ESPN--all the national media outlets have poked fun at the Plumlee pick and the Collison trade.

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    So we basically traded DC making 2.3 mil for Mahinmi making 4 mill, and then swapped Dahntay making 2.9 mil, for Gerald Green making 3 mil, is this what you are saying?
    if we signed mahinmi outright, we still would have had to pay 5.2 mil for DC and DJ's salaries, in addition to the 4 mil for mahinmi. that's a reduction of our cap space by 4 mil.

    this trade sends out 5.2 mil while bringing in only 4. adding 3 from green's deal means that our cap space is only reduced by 1.8 mil.

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    You can claim him, you just cant trade him if you do. You have to keep an amnestied player for at least a year.
    I'm talking about claiming Brand via a silent bid via waivers....What I'm saying is if its the Mavs and Pacers bidding for Brand and you can only bid what cap room you have available; giving the mavs 4 million in extra salary in DC/DJones, only puts them 5 million under the cap; the Pacers would bid slightly higher and could get Brand and keep him for a year. Prior to the trade Mavs could have bid up to 9 million for Brand off the waiver wire.

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    KStat,

    I might be reading what Speed is saying wrong. I think he meant we may have made that trade knowing that it would only leave Dallas with 5 million in cap space, therefore we could offer Brand more.

    Is that what you were saying Speed?
    Yep, it may not work out, but if thats part of it, it would be pretty savvy, imo.

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    So we basically traded DC making 2.3 mil for Mahinmi making 4 mill, and then swapped Dahntay making 2.9 mil, for Gerald Green making 3 mil, is this what you are saying?
    No, I don't think I said that. You can say that if you want!

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