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    Who Is Ian Mahinmi?

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    The newest Pacer is someone with whom many Hoosiers many not be familiar. He has never put up high numbers and rarely been featured on Sportscenter. But he has been a solid rotation player for much of the past two years and did mop up some quality minutes in the NBA Finals when the Mavericks beat the Heat. He is also generally viewed positively by those who have played with and coached him, and he still has a lot of room to improve as a player, even though he will never break out into someone who really should ever be starting for a contender.
    For more, I reached out to Rob Mahoney with some questions.
    Mahoney literally wrote the book on the Dallas Mavericks’ 2011 NBA Title and probably has written the equivalent of 40 more books on the Mavs over at The Two-Man Game in the past few years. He is also among the top half dozen or so NBA writers on the planet and proves it day after day for The New York Times, Bleacher Report, and The Classical, among others. (Follow him on Twitter.)
    Here is our Q&A on Ian Mahinmi. (Pronounced Yan MY-ee-me, FYI.)
    How would you describe Ian Mahinmi to someone who has never seen him play?

    Rob Mahoney: Ian deciphers basketball as if it were a foreign language — fitting for a French national attempting to find his way through the most innately American game. He’s come a long way since his days as raw material for the San Antonio Spurs’ developmental complex, but that doesn’t mean the game comes naturally to him or that his athleticism makes anything simple. Mahinmi has some impressive physical tools, but he plays as if he’s solely the product of what he’s learned, with no instinctive basis to call his own.
    That said, Mahinmi has put together a nice little repertoire over the years. He grew into a wonderful pick-and-roll finisher opposite Jason Terry. He worked on his mid-range touch and became relatively consistent in spotting up from about 15 feet. He honed a post move or two even if he hasn’t gotten much of a chance to work from the block. He’s a mobile defender, and active shot blocker, and a hard worker. Some elements of the game (bits of defensive judgment, box-out technique, etc.) just manage to escape him.
    My general assessment may seem negative, but that’s hardly my intent. Mahinmi is just a student of the game — a term I use not to indicate that he’s a basketball junkie, but simply that his knowledge base (and his effectiveness) is still growing, as it has been over the last several seasons.
    What did he contribute to the Mavs over the past two years?

    Rob Mahoney: Mahinmi chipped in solid minutes as a reserve big for Dallas, first as a third center and more recently as a member of a triumvirate that split minutes at the position. His flaws are more apparent the longer he stays on the floor, but with regulated playing time, Mahinmi brings a nice infusion of energy, some decent catch-and-finish potential, and active defense. He doesn’t have any standout strengths, but legitimately does many things quite well.
    Why did Dallas seemingly have such disinterest in bringing him back? Was it totally due to wanting to maintain cap flexibility and not commit anything to a role player? Were there other reasons?

    Rob Mahoney: Mostly that; Brandan Wright’s emergence has made Mahinmi a bit expendable in Dallas, and that development compounded with the Mavs’ salary considerations made bringing back Mahinmi improbable at the least. My understanding is that Mahinmi was looking for a multi-year deal, and with Dallas unable to oblige and a few other teams interested (Indiana obviously included), a split was almost inevitable.
    How do you see him fitting in behind Roy Hibbert and David West?

    Rob Mahoney: Pretty well, though he’s hardly a cure-all. The rebounding deficit could prove to be a bit problematic, though Mahinmi is nevertheless a better overall fit than Tyler Hansbrough or Lou Amundson by way of his defense. Offensively, I’m not sure who couldn’t fit in with such versatile bigs; Hibbert and West are both so high-low flexible, and while Mahinmi doesn’t have some particular patch of real estate to call his own, he should do well in revolving around either Pacer big man.
    To be honest, this makes me like the trade even less. Thanks for posting this though, good to get insight from people that have seen him play consistently.

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    I must say I never realized (until this thread) that so many liked Collison and Jones. I thought it was obvious both were not in the long term or short term plans.

    I also get a kick when people say something like, "wow, we should have gotten more for Collison" or "he's worth more than we received" A player in the trade market is worth exactly what you recieved for him. Collison is not well thought of around the league. He lost his starting job to George Hill - I mean seriously. I like George Hill a lot, but he's not a great point guard, and yet he is a lot better than Collison.
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    The more I read up on this deal the happier I am. Ian should be a great backup center. He looks like he can really play.

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    Ian Mahimni is a dependable backup Forward - Center. He has size and he is athletic. He will keep the defense honest since he is more than capable of stuffing it when he sees an open lane.

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    He is also a decent FT shooter. His career average is 69.1% and that's quite good for a backup F-C.

    So, I think that this trade means that we don't bring back Lou. I like Lou but I can understand how the FO sees Mahimni as an upgrade over him. He is bigger, equally athletic, can finish inside better and can shoot FTs better.

    Of course, I don't like the package we sent to Dallas to get Mahimni. But I like Mahimni so I'll welcome him
    Dayyyum! Well, I will say this much: Plumlee and Mahinmi should be MUCH more effective at finishing at the rim than Tyler and Lou.

    By the way, I'm glad we have Roy to try to teach Ian how to go straight up / not foul.

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    Dayyyum! Well, I will say this much: Plumlee and Mahinmi should be MUCH more effective at finishing at the rim than Tyler and Lou.

    By the way, I'm glad we have Roy to try to teach Ian how to go straight up / not foul.
    Let's hope Mahinmi teach Roy how to dunk.

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    I wasn't on message boards way back then.

    What was the general reaction when that went down? Complete and utter madness with threats of bodily harm I assume.

    Yes. I remember being at a game, soon after the trade, and a fan walked right up to Donnie Walsh (he was wthin 6 feet of Walsh) and screaming at Donnie about how stupid of a trade it was - it was really ugly. Also fans generally booed McKey for the first few weeks of the season. What no one realized at the time though was McKey was injured when he first came here and didn't get healthy for a couple of months, just about the time the Pacers turned their season around.

    Huge pet peeve of mine.
    When fans scream bloody murder about a trade when they either have not seen the incoming player play or they know nothing about him. And then they use stats to try to prove how bad a plyer he is.
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    I must say I never realized (until this thread) that so many liked Collison and Jones. I thought it was obvious both were not in the long term or short term plans.

    I also get a kick when people say something like, "wow, we should have gotten more for Collison" or "he's worth more than we received" A player in the trade market is worth exactly what you recieved for him. Collison is not well thought of around the league. He lost his starting job to George Hill
    This is what happens when emotion is involved. Fans liked DC, and over-rated him just beacuse they grew attached to him. NBA is a buisness, and you have to take emotion on of it
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    Dayyyum! Well, I will say this much: Plumlee and Mahinmi should be MUCH more effective at finishing at the rim than Tyler and Lou.

    By the way, I'm glad we have Roy to try to teach Ian how to go straight up / not foul.
    Exactly. Both Miles and Ian can finish. We also acquired good size and both of them are versatile athletically and can hit their FTs. I like the backup combo of Plums + Mahimni. It has great size and can get things done in both sides of the ball.

    I don't think that it's likely that one of the two will have outbursts of great scoring (like the ones we expected out of Tyler) but they can do one or two things pretty consistently.

    We can also run lineups like Plums + West / Ian + West. And guess what? West will not be forced to play C anymore

    And Roy can help them both quite a lot. He can help Ian to go straight up and teach Plums some post moves. I like our big man rotation

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    Fans liked DC, and over-rated him just beacuse they grew attached to him.
    I don't feel that this is quite the case in this board about DC. Not a lot of people liked DC in here. Some people did (me, Sookie, Anthem etc.) but I don't see those people being particularly negative about the trade.

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    I must say I never realized (until this thread) that so many liked Collison and Jones. I thought it was obvious both were not in the long term or short term plans.

    I also get a kick when people say something like, "wow, we should have gotten more for Collison" or "he's worth more than we received" A player in the trade market is worth exactly what you recieved for him. Collison is not well thought of around the league. He lost his starting job to George Hill
    The reason you didn't think that so many liked Collison is because his critics on this board complained about him incessantly while he was here. And to your second point, DC lost his starting job to a strained groin, not to George Hill. I wonder what would have happened had he not gotten injured. Moreover, the guy stepped it up in the playoffs both years he was here - but I guess that 8-2 run to end the regular season really proved George Hill was the better player all along. Sure we didn't beat any teams above .500 in that stretch, but boy was it spectacular!

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    This is what happens when emotion is involved. Fans liked DC, and over-rated him just beacuse they grew attached to him. NBA is a buisness, and you have to take emotion on of it
    God forbid someone expresses emotion as a fan.
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    And to your second point, DC lost his starting job to a strained groin, not to George Hill. I wonder what would have happened had he not gotten injured. Moreover, the guy stepped it up in the playoffs both years he was here - but I guess that 8-2 run to end the regular season really proved George Hill was the better player all along. Sure we didn't beat any teams above .500 in that stretch, but boy was it spectacular!

    When I watched the team play they looked better with Hill on the floor than with Collison. And obviously the FO and coaching staff agrees with me. Also emotion during a game is fine, but emotion when analzing a trade is not good

    Not directed at you Lone - Some of you crying about this trade I hope you aren't any of those who scream bloody murder when the pacers try to play without a real center on the court. This trade basically assures the Pacers will always have a legitimate center on the court at all times (at least if they want to) Not many teams can say the same thing.
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    Am I the only one who liked both Hill and DC?

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    When I watched the team play they looked better with Hill on the floor than with Collison. And obviously the FO and coaching staff agrees with me
    Yep, and they've never been wrong before. I'm just glad we managed to keep George Hill for five more years with such a low-ball offer.

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    Am I the only one who liked both Hill and DC?
    I like Hill, but I really don't think he should be a starting point guard. I'd be happy with him covering both backup spots.

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    Maybe we found our "Player X."

    I like the move. Not because I know it will be effective, but because it might possibly be.

    The Pacers, hamstringed as a small market, really must make some bold moves that include the luck factor. While the Bender trade turned out to be disastrous, I applaud Donnie for taking the risk. (His real screw up was extending him.)

    The McKey-Schremp trade is another good example—one that worked out.

    This trade isn't quite as grandiose, but it just may fill the need that has been discussed for two or three years—player X. To get that guy, we had to take a risk on a guy that could really become an excellent player. Or not.

    But thank God we did not spend $8 to $10 million on another semi-decent wing player who can kind of shoot okay but can't create and has not much of a higher ceiling. Granger and Hill do that for us already, and now Green for less money. Paul George at least has a higher ceiling, and for that reason I'm glad we took a risk and drafted him—even if it becomes a whiff.
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    This is crazy. Absolutely bananas of a move. Surely we could of got ALOT more for DC. Horrible

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    Am I the only one who liked both Hill and DC?

    depends what you mean by like. Both seem like nice people and good teammates. Jones was great on the bench cheering for his teammates. Collison is a good backup point guard. Jones was OK for spot minutes. Other than that I don't like them. Collison just isn't very good and Jones is a specialty player

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    This is crazy. Absolutely bananas of a move. Surely we could of got ALOT more for DC. Horrible
    So you think there were better offers out there for Collison and yet the Pacers turned them down?

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    I liked Collison but it was obvious with the contract George Hill received this off season Pacer brass felt he was the future pg not Darren. Dahntay Jones was a vet in last year of a deal - 10th man here. Ian Mahinmi fills a need as a legit back up center sorry for all his hustle Lou Amundson is not a center.

    Miles Plumless is a project, Mahinmi gives the Pacers what they hope Plumless will eventually a solid back up big.

    Gerald Green to me is an upgrade over Jones , younger and a far superior offensive player. To me Jones' defense was greatly over rated.

    To me its really Green and Mahinmi for Collison and Jones , Pacers upgrade at 2 spots and lose Collison after this season anyway. If as rumored D J Augustin ends up a Pacer he replaces DC, IF not appears Lance Stephenson summer league encouraged the Pacers enough to believe he can provide back up pg minutes if forced to.

    I'll be in the minority perhaps but I like the moves.

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    Huge pet peeve of mine.
    When fans scream bloody murder about a trade when they either have not seen the incoming player play or they know nothing about him. And then they use stats to try to prove how bad a plyer he is.
    Can't really argue the point (and I'm a lawyer).

    I'm coming off the ledge because of this and the reality that taking on additional $$ for future years isn't going to hurt us as much because we're never going to be in a position to bring in a MAX-type player we don't have Bird rights to.

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    depends what you mean by like. Both seem like nice people and good teammates. Jones was great on the bench cheering for his teammates. Collison is a good backup point guard. Jones was OK for spot minutes. Other than that I don't like them. Collison just isn't very good and Jones is a specialty player
    I was talking about DC and Hill not about DC and DJ. And I said that I like both DC and Hill as player. Hill is a better defender. DC has a more consistent jumper. So, I like both. I think that both of them are starters in this league. DC can improve more as he is still quite young.

    But I also like DJ. I guess that I just like our players

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    I also get a kick when people say something like, "wow, we should have gotten more for Collison" or "he's worth more than we received" A player in the trade market is worth exactly what you recieved for him. Collison is not well thought of around the league. He lost his starting job to George Hill - I mean seriously. I like George Hill a lot, but he's not a great point guard, and yet he is a lot better than Collison.
    If DC gets a new contract next year of 4yr./16 M I will agree with you but I think he will do lots better. A player is worth what he is paid on his next contract so I am not sure we received enough in return. This has to play out before we can decide whether we got a good deal.

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    I guess that I just like our players
    ideally this is what should be happening.

    although i am sad to see both DC and dahntay go, i am excited to see what mahinmi and green will bring to the table.

    last season we had one center. now we have 3. i am pleased.

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    Ian is very underrated 4 16 is a steal. Basically like getting Brendon Haywood without paying 40+ million dollars. If he learns not to take stupid fouls it's a nice upgrade especially in PnR defense which is a major hole. He also isn't terrible offensively he isn't Lou ****ing Amundson. This and the Gerald Green signing is the first deals I have really liked in a long time. Now just get a backup pg and we had a decent offseason considering free agents weren't gonna come here. I'm just happy we went this route opposed to paying the overrated OJ Mayo 8+ m a year.

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    Can't really argue the point (and I'm a lawyer).

    I'm coming off the ledge because of this and the reality that taking on additional $$ for future years isn't going to hurt us as much because we're never going to be in a position to bring in a MAX-type player we don't have Bird rights to.
    Aren't we only talking $4M per year? That's not what I would call an albatross contract that could never be shifted if an opportunity arose.
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    My first reaction was "blah" until the other things, such as Green and possibly Augustine, started to fall around it. I now feel the bench will be stronger than what it was. As UB said, a person's trade value is what you can get for him. In my Allen Iverson voice, "We're talkin' about the BENCH here. The BENCH!"

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