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Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

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  • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

    Originally posted by WhoLovesYaBaby? View Post
    I would say it was in part a roster clearing move and a salary dump. Maybe for more moves later on. But, since the P brass doesn't see the need to tell PMS-ESPN and the message boards their strategies for running the team, we don't know for sure.
    A salary dump? they were not making much... and to me their value was greater than their salaries.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

      I'm wondering if there was an agreement in this deal for the Mavs to not make a bid on Brand in the Amnesty auction. That would make sense since it seems we gave them more talent than we otherwise should have. It seems that Dallas and Indy were the two most prominent teams looking to put bids in and this could have driven down the price for us on Brand.
      "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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      • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
        What kind of value can a guy who couldn't get off the bench in the playoffs have in Jones?? I am guessing he had negative value and DC off set it(plus he is devalued based on supply and demand in the market). We made this move with the though of adding a pg in free agency where there are tons of bargains right now. Brooks, Watson, Farmer, Augustin and Raymond Felton the market is flooded simple supply and demand. We are gonna get a solid guy on the cheap who is likely an upgrade or on the same level as DC and we can afford them.
        The Pacers will sign one of those guards. The message boards will hate it. And the team will win.

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        • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

          Originally posted by ESutt7 View Post
          Hollinger summed up nicely how I feel. If you liked him that much, you could've just signed him and used those 2 in a different deal to bring in another asset. We have the cap space to get both Green and Mahinmi without trading anyone. So why trade them? Hopefully we find out today what the purpose of that was. Doesn't look good right now.
          This is the damning part to me. Why not sign Ian to that deal and trade DC for a pick (which still clears his salary)?

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            I wonder if as part of the deal, Dallas will not go after Brand via waiver bid.... completely just a random thought that popped in my head and likely illegal.

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            • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

              Originally posted by Really? View Post
              A salary dump? they were not making much... and to me their value was greater than their salaries.
              It doesn't equate to much, I agree. It does clear a roster spot for two expiring contracts that were going to cost the team next year.(DC is on a qualifying offer year).

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              • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                What kind of value can a guy who couldn't get off the bench in the playoffs have in Jones?? I am guessing he had negative value and DC off set it(plus he is devalued based on supply and demand in the market). We made this move with the though of adding a pg in free agency where there are tons of bargains right now. Brooks, Watson, Farmer, Augustin and Raymond Felton the market is flooded simple supply and demand. We are gonna get a solid guy on the cheap who is likely an upgrade or on the same level as DC and we can afford them.
                Farmar got a contract in europe for 10mil and I agree with the rest of your post.
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                • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  No, he is a rookie who was taken 26th. You shouldn't have expected him to play regular rotation minutes on a 50 plus win team

                  On Mahinmi - everytime I saw him play I was impressed, as in wow, I wish we had him and could help him develope his game because he has real talent.

                  I'm excited. Collison wasn't in the long range plans, we just signed George Hill to be a 30 plus minute a game player

                  I feel the same way!
                  I think Mahinimi will make people on here eat crow.
                  "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                  • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                    This is the damning part to me. Why not sign Ian to that deal and trade DC for a pick (which still clears his salary)?
                    It looks to me like DC's value was negative, like I said before why would a team give anything for DC if they can get an equal replacement in free agency?
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                    • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                      Originally posted by WhoLovesYaBaby? View Post
                      I would say it was in part a roster clearing move and a salary dump. Maybe for more moves later on. But, since the P brass doesn't see the need to tell PMS-ESPN and the message boards their strategies for running the team, we don't know for sure.
                      If you were trying to merely dump salary, why would you choose to dump 2 cheap expiring deals, for one long term contract of yearly salary, nearly equal to what you dumped?

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                      • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                        What kind of value can a guy who couldn't get off the bench in the playoffs have in Jones?? I am guessing he had negative value and DC off set it(plus he is devalued based on supply and demand in the market). We made this move with the though of adding a pg in free agency where there are tons of bargains right now. Brooks, Watson, Farmer, Augustin ,Sessions, West and Raymond Felton the market is flooded simple supply and demand. We are gonna get a solid guy on the cheap who is likely an upgrade or on the same level as DC and we can afford them.
                        No matter if there are PG's that you can get for a bargin, you never trade away your assets for less than their value, and that is what I feel the Pacers did. I am pretty sure the Pacers FO agrees with my first point and I am suspecting that they put a lot of value on Ian, his potential, and the contract they could sign him to.
                        Why so SERIOUS

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                        • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          I must say I never realized (until this thread) that so many liked Collison and Jones. I thought it was obvious both were not in the long term or short term plans.

                          I also get a kick when people say something like, "wow, we should have gotten more for Collison" or "he's worth more than we received" A player in the trade market is worth exactly what you recieved for him. Collison is not well thought of around the league. He lost his starting job to George Hill - I mean seriously. I like George Hill a lot, but he's not a great point guard, and yet he is a lot better than Collison.
                          QFT

                          I'm sure we've been trying to trade DC all off-season. You can only get what the market (other 29 teams) dictates.
                          "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                          • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                            Originally posted by WhoLovesYaBaby? View Post
                            It doesn't equate to much, I agree. It does clear a roster spot for two expiring contracts that were going to cost the team next year.(DC is on a qualifying offer year).
                            Dahntay's contract would be going away anyways, and DC it only matters if he does not sign an extension. Honestly DC was going to get traded at some point anyways, it really did not matter, we could have waited and traded him if we felt, I am sure we would get some other offers, and if not we could come back to this one, it was the first day of the signing period.
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                            • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                              Originally posted by Really? View Post
                              No matter if there are PG's that you can get for a bargin, you never trade away your assets for less than their value, and that is what I feel the Pacers did. I am pretty sure the Pacers FO agrees with my first point and I am suspecting that they put a lot of value on Ian, his potential, and the contract they could sign him to.
                              if we could of got a 1st rd pick without having to take back a bad contract im sure we would of done that. But realistically name a team who would give a 1st for DC?? I just don't see it he is a decent backup to ok starter but in this era of pgs there must be 50 guys like that in the NBA.

                              EDIT: and lets say that we targeted Scola via amnesty and get him because we can now bid on him and have another million to play with(and basically took Dallas out of the chase). So if we get Scola and Ian plus a Raymond Felton would the cap space that we got via the trade not be worth it?? Market value for a player changes all the time we cant just hold on too DC and let him expire because we feel we didn't get market value that would be idiotic.I think people are overrating DC's value quite a bit here.


                              The FO is thinking a few steps ahead here. Regardless if we nab Scola it was a good trade we got good value for players who we didnt want moving forward IMO.
                              Last edited by pacer4ever; 07-12-2012, 12:33 PM.

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                              • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                                Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                                If you were trying to merely dump salary, why would you choose to dump 2 cheap expiring deals, for one long term contract of yearly salary, nearly equal to what you dumped?
                                Was more of a keep our salary cap space the same so we can lock up a couple more key bench players for decent multi-year deals (Green, and now possibly Augustin).
                                "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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