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Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

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  • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
    Am I the only one who liked both Hill and DC?

    depends what you mean by like. Both seem like nice people and good teammates. Jones was great on the bench cheering for his teammates. Collison is a good backup point guard. Jones was OK for spot minutes. Other than that I don't like them. Collison just isn't very good and Jones is a specialty player

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    • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

      Originally posted by BoomBaby31 View Post
      This is crazy. Absolutely bananas of a move. Surely we could of got ALOT more for DC. Horrible
      So you think there were better offers out there for Collison and yet the Pacers turned them down?

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      • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

        I liked Collison but it was obvious with the contract George Hill received this off season Pacer brass felt he was the future pg not Darren. Dahntay Jones was a vet in last year of a deal - 10th man here. Ian Mahinmi fills a need as a legit back up center sorry for all his hustle Lou Amundson is not a center.

        Miles Plumless is a project, Mahinmi gives the Pacers what they hope Plumless will eventually a solid back up big.

        Gerald Green to me is an upgrade over Jones , younger and a far superior offensive player. To me Jones' defense was greatly over rated.

        To me its really Green and Mahinmi for Collison and Jones , Pacers upgrade at 2 spots and lose Collison after this season anyway. If as rumored D J Augustin ends up a Pacer he replaces DC, IF not appears Lance Stephenson summer league encouraged the Pacers enough to believe he can provide back up pg minutes if forced to.

        I'll be in the minority perhaps but I like the moves.

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        • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          Huge pet peeve of mine.
          When fans scream bloody murder about a trade when they either have not seen the incoming player play or they know nothing about him. And then they use stats to try to prove how bad a plyer he is.
          Can't really argue the point (and I'm a lawyer).

          I'm coming off the ledge because of this and the reality that taking on additional $$ for future years isn't going to hurt us as much because we're never going to be in a position to bring in a MAX-type player we don't have Bird rights to.

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          • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            depends what you mean by like. Both seem like nice people and good teammates. Jones was great on the bench cheering for his teammates. Collison is a good backup point guard. Jones was OK for spot minutes. Other than that I don't like them. Collison just isn't very good and Jones is a specialty player
            I was talking about DC and Hill not about DC and DJ. And I said that I like both DC and Hill as player. Hill is a better defender. DC has a more consistent jumper. So, I like both. I think that both of them are starters in this league. DC can improve more as he is still quite young.

            But I also like DJ. I guess that I just like our players
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post

              I also get a kick when people say something like, "wow, we should have gotten more for Collison" or "he's worth more than we received" A player in the trade market is worth exactly what you recieved for him. Collison is not well thought of around the league. He lost his starting job to George Hill - I mean seriously. I like George Hill a lot, but he's not a great point guard, and yet he is a lot better than Collison.
              If DC gets a new contract next year of 4yr./16 M I will agree with you but I think he will do lots better. A player is worth what he is paid on his next contract so I am not sure we received enough in return. This has to play out before we can decide whether we got a good deal.

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              • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                I guess that I just like our players
                ideally this is what should be happening.

                although i am sad to see both DC and dahntay go, i am excited to see what mahinmi and green will bring to the table.

                last season we had one center. now we have 3. i am pleased.

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                • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                  Ian is very underrated 4 16 is a steal. Basically like getting Brendon Haywood without paying 40+ million dollars. If he learns not to take stupid fouls it's a nice upgrade especially in PnR defense which is a major hole. He also isn't terrible offensively he isn't Lou ****ing Amundson. This and the Gerald Green signing is the first deals I have really liked in a long time. Now just get a backup pg and we had a decent offseason considering free agents weren't gonna come here. I'm just happy we went this route opposed to paying the overrated OJ Mayo 8+ m a year.

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                  • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                    Originally posted by Karlton View Post
                    Can't really argue the point (and I'm a lawyer).

                    I'm coming off the ledge because of this and the reality that taking on additional $$ for future years isn't going to hurt us as much because we're never going to be in a position to bring in a MAX-type player we don't have Bird rights to.
                    Aren't we only talking $4M per year? That's not what I would call an albatross contract that could never be shifted if an opportunity arose.
                    BillS

                    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                    • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                      My first reaction was "blah" until the other things, such as Green and possibly Augustine, started to fall around it. I now feel the bench will be stronger than what it was. As UB said, a person's trade value is what you can get for him. In my Allen Iverson voice, "We're talkin' about the BENCH here. The BENCH!"

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                      • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                        Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
                        A player is worth what he is paid on his next contract
                        In a completely ironic fashion I am going to say "Croshere?"
                        BillS

                        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                        • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                          After losing his starting job and then watching Hill get the contract that he got, how does anyone know that DC didn't quietly ask for a trade? Maybe the FO made the best out of a bad situation. Some people on here don't want to give anyone a chance....come on! Halfway through last season, all you heard were the Travis Best comparisons. Do you guys remember that DC isn't much of a passer; especially on the break? I don't know how many times he missed wide open wings on the fast break, only to pull up and jack his own shot. Yeah, I agree, he had some decent play in the playoffs, but so did Hill. I remember that in the 1st Round, our starting 5 was the best 5 on the court out of all teams. Most people freaked on the DD for unknown bench player JO too. Let's give the new guys a chance, Geez. Perhaps we won't lose every freaking lead if we build a strong bench.

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                          • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                            paying 4M a year for a backup big who can give you 5/5 or so in 15~20 minutes is not a bad contract by any means. i'm quite happy with this.

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                            • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                              One thing that nobody has mention is that Dallas starting unit is going to suck on D next year, DC, DJ, Marion, Dirk, Kaman? damn they are going to suck on D.
                              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                              • Re: Ian Mahinmi to Indiana

                                He worked on his mid-range touch and became relatively consistent in spotting up from about 15 feet.
                                I like this part as well. If he can do that when he is with West or Roy down low that would be nice.

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