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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

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  • #31
    Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

    watching Lehigh vs Baylor glad college ball is back.

    CJ has all of Lehigh's points. Lehigh looks like midgets compared to Baylor I would think Isiah Austin can score at least 25 on this team.
    Last edited by pacer4ever; 11-09-2012, 06:04 PM.

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    • #32
      Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

      Wowsers Alex Len worked on his body doesn't look even close to the same. From the naked eye he added 30lbs that's work ethic. I will watch the game later and see if he worked on his game. I was a fan last year see how he handles UK

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      • #33
        Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
        Wowsers Alex Len worked on his body doesn't look even close to the same. From the naked eye he added 30lbs that's work ethic. I will watch the game later and see if he worked on his game. I was a fan last year see how he handles UK
        His hands are amazing for a big dude he was catching passes earlier a guard would struggle to grab
        Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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        • #34
          Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

          Ya Trey Burke is a 1st rd pick now IMO he answered my questions. I can't believe his body difference that was one knock I had on him loved his decision-making skills. However, I felt that he was nothing but a shooter at the NBA level due to lack of size. He is now a stocky player who has an NBA body looks like he grew a bunch. He will be really glad he stayed. I would have drafted him near the Pacers pick last year if he came out, but he would have been a project.

          Mitch McGary reminds me so much of a Nick Collison just sets mean screens and does the dirty work. He is a four year guy though IMO.

          I like Tim Hardaway Jr too not sure if the Pacers would be the best fit for his skills though.

          I love Archie Goodwin kid looks coachable, and the raw talent is there to be special. Ditto on Willie CS.

          Alex Len is going to be a great C his defense will never be great but his improvements in moving this year are pretty remarkable. He could barley play 5 minutes at a time last year without being gas ed and was not nearly as mobile. And now barley tires he looks like he wants to be a top five pick, and his mobility is really good. I didn't think he could get that good laterally so fast so maybe he can be a decent defender in the future. His offense was still great like last year really has an advanced post game for his age, and in time will be a really excellent C.

          EDIT: Kyle Anderson I need to see more of he moves so slowly laterally(I mean Austin Daye/Charlie V bad) but he has a unique skill set and would be a passer and a guy who knows how to play the game. Seems like he would be a perfect fit for the lag passer in the Triangle.

          Tons of others I just havent seen enoght to even comment yet. In a few weeks I will dive deeper into the guys Im liking a bunch.
          Last edited by pacer4ever; 11-14-2012, 07:30 PM.

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          • #35
            Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

            I'm enjoying how this North Carolina State team plays together on offense. There is no team defense whatsoever but they move the ball so well on offense. I think the 4 big names for NC State (CJ Leslie, Lorenzo Brown, Rodney Purvis, Richard Howell) will all be NBA players. Brown doesn't have that much of a scoring game from what I've seen but he's passing great, Howell is a bit undersized but is a pretty good player, probably a second rounder, and Purvis is a phenom. Really enjoying watching this team play. UMass is a tough team but no NBA prospects I think.

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            • #36
              Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

              Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
              I'm enjoying how this North Carolina State team plays together on offense. There is no team defense whatsoever but they move the ball so well on offense. I think the 4 big names for NC State (CJ Leslie, Lorenzo Brown, Rodney Purvis, Richard Howell) will all be NBA players. Brown doesn't have that much of a scoring game from what I've seen but he's passing great, Howell is a bit undersized but is a pretty good player, probably a second rounder, and Purvis is a phenom. Really enjoying watching this team play. UMass is a tough team but no NBA prospects I think.
              You forgot about TJ Warren kid can score. I like his motor but he needs to improve a bit if he wants to make the league and make an impact. Purvis and Leslie I really like but the others are meh at best. I do agree I love watching them play they are like my Vandy for this year. I love watching them and how they fit together.

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              • #37
                Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...ith+conditions

                WOOHOOO!!!

                Bazz is cleared should make his debut Monday vs the Hoyas wonder if Otto Porter will play. I hope he at least gives it a go Porter vs Bazz would be fun to watch

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                • #38
                  Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                  I have changed my tone on WCS vs Noel. I like Noel much better for the NBA I still love Willys potential but too much of a gamble currently. Noel has come a long way since HS. I didn't like his motor at all in HS but Cail has him playing hard. Still a long time and many games to make a final judgment for both but Noel is winning me back.

                  Nerlans Noel has been great tonight best first 3 mintues I have seen in some time lol.

                  His energy level is so much better than last year. He will be one of the best passing big men in the NBA when he makes the jump. Coach Cal is unreal at getting guys prepared for the league all my complaints about Noel seem like he has addressed and almost every year that happens with Cal.

                  Willy is just to nice on the court he needs to get mean
                  Last edited by pacer4ever; 11-21-2012, 08:34 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                    Archie Goodwin just made a kid cry


                    was a close game up until the last few minutes. Archie is going to be a special player at the next level will need to be patient with the kid will make a ton of mistakes but in time kid will be an all star imo. I would love to see him in BnG not gonna happen but would consider trading up for him. I hope whoever drafts him develops him the right way let him play and make mistakes but have a good player development staff that can work with him and work the kinks out. I like his passion can tell he loves the game and loves playing. Only real concerns for me is his defense he plays hard but he needs to learn how to play better defense his fundamentals aren't great IMO. I can live with his TOs he plays hard and it's kind of like Westbrook he is so dynamic the Tos you can live with.

                    Archie had 17FTs tonight he is like the perfect fit for what we need a guy who can create and live at the line. Depending on how we do this season( we may not need to trade up lol if we keep playing like crap).
                    Last edited by pacer4ever; 11-21-2012, 10:13 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                      yes Trey Burke is looking like a top 10 pick in this draft. He would suck in our system but his probing ability is really nice. Changes speeds really well and finishes at the rim now which I never though he we be able too. That was my doubt about him he had a kids body last year looked like he was 5'10 and his frame wasn't promising. But he grew and looks like he put on a ton of lbs. Now he looks like a legit 6'1 maybe even bigger. Defiantly an NBA starting pg body/athlete now when last year that wasn't the case IMO. His stroke is so sweet he was one of my favorite guys to watch shoot the ball last year really a beautiful stroke.

                      Michigan has a few guys I really like for the league. Steven Adams to me has always been overrated he is a great athlete but dude is not a very good basketball player not a huge fan of what he does on the court.
                      Last edited by pacer4ever; 11-21-2012, 11:25 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                        P4E what do u make of Ford saying Poythress could go 1st in the draft? i must admit i had a bit of a chuckle at the thought
                        Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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                        • #42
                          Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                          A potential mid-late round steal could be Reggie Bullock from UNC. He looks to finally have come into his own as a player. He already has an NBA body for a guard being that he is 6'7 with muscle.

                          He can do pretty much everything. Good 3 point shooter, good defender, but what has really impressed me is his ability to pass the ball. He won't be a star or anything, but who from the mid-late round will be? The guy has a place in the NBA and should be a solid role player.

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                          • #43
                            Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                            Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                            P4E what do u make of Ford saying Poythress could go 1st in the draft? i must admit i had a bit of a chuckle at the thought
                            He is a first rd pick in this draft probably a fringe lottery pick will probably rise higher due to workouts(even though he shouldn't just based on one workout )

                            Im not gonna lie he is overrated while I was taking notes tonight during the UK game I wrote a lot about him. I mean you love the motor and all but the skill level is not that good. He showed more offense when I watched him live in Orlando(aau circuit) but he literally cant put the ball on the deck for more than one dribble. He is a great athlete but a tweeaner offensively he needs to improve his jumper and his handle. He is a great kid though had a perfect GPA in HS and great role model from what I have read about him.

                            I need to see more but I think he is a stretch 4 currently and must improve if he wants to be a real threat at the next level. I hear people say he has the MKG motor all the time and while he does play hard(not as hard as MKG IMO) he doesn't have near the skill MKG did last year at UK.

                            I have a lot of notes on the UK guys I have watched every game they have played this season.

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                            • #44
                              Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                              Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                              2013 NBA Mock Draft: Setting the stage
                              By Jeff Goodman | College Basketball Insider
                              Nov. 5, 2012 5:50 PM ET
                              4 Rudy Gobert, 7-0, 230, PF/C, 20,
                              France
                              Rudy Gobert at #4? Seriously?

                              I get that 7'9" wingspan is crazy but he has yet to prove anything in the French League.
                              Originally posted by IrishPacer
                              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                              • #45
                                Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                                On another note, I like Gorgui Deng for us. I don't think we're going to draft a big, though.

                                Also, I think that I need to watch some of Karasev's game.
                                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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