I think Withey can destroy people all day who are 2-5 inches shorter than himself. While he sees such people every game in the NCAA, he will be eyeball-to-eyeball with most of the people he faces at C in the NBA. I would expect a huge dropoff in how he plays in that situation, but I could be wrong.
It would be interesting to see how he handled Cody Zeller or other 7-footers. I'm not sure we will find out unless they get to the FF. UM, FL, FGCU all lack 7-footers, though the 6'10" Mitch McGary may give us some clues, due to his exceptionally high motor.
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He has already faced tons of NBA caliber bodies in his career and normally fairs well. He is bigger than you are giving him credit for he is a legit 6'11. He played great vs Philip Jurick this year every time they played. Philip is as big and physical as they come 6'11 270 and Whithey made him look silly. O and he outplayed the great Miles Plumlee last year held him to two points.
I had the same stances with Nik Vucevic everyone(most experts said he was a reach many didn't like him for the league) said he had bad body and would struggle at the next level. The fact of the matter is he could play the game and just gets it done. Jeff is the same way except he is a defensive player first not offensive like Nik.
We will see in the coming year. I just like his skill set and think it will transfer very well to the league. I will be the first one to eat crow if he isn't a good NBA player and a starting caliber C(which isnt a lot in this league) in 3 years.
Last edited by Since86; 03-25-2013 at 03:59 PM.
What do guys think of Marshall Henderson? I could see him as our needed spark off the bench
I miss Roy Hibbert
"There is a time to play and a time to win. It is what you do during winning time that differentiates the average players from stars."
LOL not sure if serious?? I would torch the field house if we drafted Marshall Henderson. I am sure I wouldnt be alone in that line of thinking. Terrible player, and then any in his character lol. I am not even talking about his antics thoes could be tolerated if he wasnt a douche off the court. There is a reason he has many kicked off of so many programs.
Archer GIF for the win, and I agree about his shot selection. I mean he can get into the league, sure. He can get his shots with some of those moves, but he still isn't hitting them. Look at CDR's career so far and to me he was far more selection/smart about his shooting.
Character issues push it way past, and that might be why he doesn't even make it to the league when he hits camp.
I will say that if the Pacers deal Danny and move up to his range, I really like some of the "Scola" to Oylnyk's game. Could be a nice PF behind West that could take over PF scoring from West in a few years.
Smart player. Gonzaga just had trouble working the ball cleanly to him in the tourney. But again his range is in the 10-14 spot it seems, and that would take a big deal by the Pacers. I do think that backup PF needs to be addressed, even at a lower pick. I think I'd rather do a JJack type for b/u point. Need a vet/smart player with some of the bench youth we will be running out there for a few years.
If we move up I want Vic. Most NBA ready player in the draft. Would be great off the bench. Besides him I like Otto Porter and Tim Hardaway Jr. If we can grab them in the second I like Cj Leslie and Payne to replace Tyler.
I think if Seth Curry is still around in the second round, we need to snatch him up. We really need a knockdown shooter off the bench imo
What? I didn't say he grew. I was just pointing out that Nik's body is vastly different than Withey. The difference between 235 and 260 is huge.
Your body fat has nothing to do with whether you're ripped or not. You can have 10% body fat, and be ripped. It says nothing about the amount of muscle mass you have, only the amount of fat you have. 4% body fat can be extremely impressive, depending on your muscle mass, or it can be rail thin depending on your lack of muscle mass.
Withey is skinny as a rail. I'm not aruging "against" him, I'm just saying he's needs to get bigger if he's going to have an impact. He's currently way too skinny to fight in the post. He'll get pushed around.
Last edited by Since86; 03-26-2013 at 08:22 AM.
So, Norvel Pelle will declare. Who the heck is he?
Norvel Pelle is a 6'10 pf thin very talented. Was the top rated center in 2011 class, 1st committed to St John's but NCAA never cleared him to play. Spent 2012 at a community college after committing to Iona but not being cleared by the NCAA.
Is very athletic was compared to Kevin Durant by some while in high school. He was at several high schools leaving a long paper trail which alarmed the NCAA.
With NCAA not clearing him in 2 years he had no other choice than to declare for the draft. If he has a strong pre-draft camp could be a late 1st round pick based on potential.
Tank for Burke
Looking at some random stats on DX. Noticed that Ben McLemore is the same height as Orlando Johnson. That seems pretty short for a top 5 draft pick. Plus he's giving up 40 pounds. Unless McLemore buys some genuine big boy pants, he's going to have real issues trying to defending at the NBA level. Guys like Danny or Paul will just shove him out of the way and do whatever they want.
Ben is 100X more athletic than Orlando due moves like a cheetah(dude is a freak and he has the best jumper I have seen so freaking silky textbook). You just dont find kids with his tools and his basketball IQ and how he plays the game is pretty good. Needs to be more aggressive at times but being a freshmen on a team full of seniors he deferred I think he will turn around that in the NBA.
About Nik I was just stating how rare it is that someone is listed under what they really are.
I still find it odd that Since thinks Whithey will get pushed around. I mean you watch him play right? That is his best asset his toughness on defense his post defense ability to guard the outside on PnR is amazing. His defense is excellent his one on one in the post is better than anyone in college basketball and his weak side anticipation is unmatched. Not just in blocking shots but more importantly changing them. Not to mention his block rate has been at a level that not even Davis was at last year. His defense was the best by a long shot in college ball this year. His ability to defend without fouling is so valuable and that was my main compliment about Nerlans Noel. Noel will improve but right now he is to jump happy and will get in a ton of foul trouble early in his career. Plus his PnR defense needs to get better again that is due to being jump happy when switching to guards.
"I had to take her down like Chris Brown."
So if a player doesn't get pushed around in college, he won't get pushed around in the NBA? I know that's not what you're saying, but it's pretty much what you're saying....
Withey is plenty big enough for the rigors of the NCAA. Not every team in the Big12 has legit 7fters with full adulthood bodies and strength. The difference between playing down low in the Big12 is different than the NBA.
You know just as well as I do that there are a lot of post players that are just fine at the NCAA level, who struggle with position at the NBA level. I'm not saying anything revolutionary here.