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    Default Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

    Whether they meant to or not, the Spurs have actually drafted a lot of good advanced stat guys.

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    Warning: I may have some bias against shorter point guards.

    Not that anyone really cares but here's my PG list (combo's included) for the draft:

    1: C.J. McCollum
    2: Dennis Schroeder
    3: Erick Green
    4: Shane Larkin
    5: Ray McCallum
    6: Trey Burke
    7: Michael Carter Williams
    8: Isaiah Canaan
    9: Nate Wolters
    10: Pierre Jackson
    11: Lorenzo Brown
    12: Myck Kabongo (but I like his defensive potential. Just can't shoot it well as of now)
    13: Peyton Siva
    14: Phil Pressey
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    1: C.J. McCollum
    2: Trey Burke
    3: Michael Carter Williams
    4: Shane Larkin
    5: Isaiah Canaan
    6: Erick Green
    7: Dennis Schroeder
    8: Ray McCallum
    9: Myck Kabongo
    10: Pierre Jackson
    11: Nate Wolters
    12: Lorenzo Brown
    13: Phil Pressey
    14: Peyton Siva
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    someone should tell Flip we use plenty of advanced analytics ourselves

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    1. Trey Burke
    2. Michael Carter-Williams
    3. Shane Larkin
    "We want Miami"

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    Again not that anyone cares but heres my traditional PF list for the draft:
    1: Anthony Bennett
    2: Jackie Carmichael
    3: Cody Zeller
    4: Arsalan Kazemi (this guy is severely underrated)
    5: Trevor Mbakwe
    6: Richard Howell
    7: Andre Roberson
    8: Tony Mitchell
    9: Jamelle Hagins
    10: Alex Oriakhi
    11: Robert Covington
    12: Brandon Davies
    13: Elias Harris
    14: C.J. Leslie
    15: Laurence Bowers
    16: Kenny Kadji
    17: Romero Osby
    18: C.J. Aiken
    19: D.J. Stephens
    20: Amath M'Baye

    Stretch 4's
    1: Erik Murphy
    2: Ryan Kelly
    3: Christian Watford

    Grant Jerrett is an enigma to me. I'm not really sure where to put him.

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    Yea Isaiah Canaan had a 2nd private workout with us, I think we will end up drafting him

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    Yea Isaiah Canaan had a 2nd private workout with us, I think we will end up drafting him
    With the news about trading out of the first I wonder if the Pacers are trying to get a point in the second round?
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    Yea Isaiah Canaan had a 2nd private workout with us, I think we will end up drafting him
    I don't think it is as clear cut as that.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    someone should tell Flip we use plenty of advanced analytics ourselves
    Don't really care, as long as he sees those 4 teams are winners then that is all that matters to me.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    Erick Green: RSB40=6.0 Points per 40=27.3 2pnt%= 50.9 3pnt%=38.9 TOper40= 2.4 A/TO ratio= 1.71
    Trey Burke: RSB40=6.0 Points per 40= 21.0 2pnt%= 50.3 3pnt%=38.3 TOper40= 2.4 A/TO ratio= 3.13

    Green beats or ties him in every category except A/TO ratio. However if Green's teammates could actually hit shots, he could have easily had 6-7 assists per game. I'll give Burke the edge seeing that Green is 2 years older than him and more strength but its weird how one is projected to go top 6 while the other is working his butt off to try to get drafted into the 1st round.
    I like those stats but I will say that you have to take into consideration defense as well, and I think that is one of the big differences as well. I think Green will turnout to be a good player, and I hope we grab him, but I think Burke should be drafted before him.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    The draft is 2 days away. What are you doing today? RT: @PacersKev: Film time. Grinding away.
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    Kevin Pelton's (espn) prospect projections by WARP.

    I'm not sure how many people care for stats, so I won't make a new thread, but I think it's a pretty fun perspective.

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    Out of who's most likely to be there at 53 I'd love for the Pacers to get Kazemi but I don't think he's been brought in for a workout. It will probably be Solomon Hill or traded.

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    "It's about trying to find that diamond in the rough when you're picking at 23." - @PacersKev on the #PacersDraft
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    "It's about trying to find that diamond in the rough when you're picking at 23." - @PacersKev on the #PacersDraft
    Damn, does that sound like someone who doesn't have much faith in this year's pick?
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    Damn, does that sound like someone who doesn't have much faith in this year's pick?
    Meh, maybe. Seems more like GM speak for "keep your expectations in line with reality people."

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    Damn, does that sound like someone who doesn't have much faith in this year's pick?
    At 23 you typically don't get much value, so basically he is just focusing finding on a guy who hopefully will out play his draft position by a bunch.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    I was looking at some old DraftExpress profiles of some of our guys.

    Roy Hibbert's NBA Comps, Best Case Zydrunus Ilgauskas

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    Quote Originally Posted by kent beckley View Post
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    I was looking at some old DraftExpress profiles of some of our guys.

    Roy Hibbert's NBA Comps, Best Case Zydrunus Ilgauskas
    yeah, that stuff's why DX quit doing the best/worst case stuff

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    I put no stock in workouts, but word is that Jamaal Franklin dominated the Cavs workout. All the top wings there Victor McLemore and Oladipo.

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    I put no stock in workouts, but word is that Jamaal Franklin dominated the Cavs workout. All the top wings there Victor McLemore and Oladipo.
    I don't really see the point in workouts honestly. What's some 3 on 3 with guys you've never even been on the same floor with tell you? Have your medical staff check em out, do a TON of interviews, I get that, but I don't get the hype about workouts.

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    I don't really see the point in workouts honestly. What's some 3 on 3 with guys you've never even been on the same floor with tell you? Have your medical staff check em out, do a TON of interviews, I get that, but I don't get the hype about workouts.
    Totally agree. Like Chad Ford said on the Skype NBA draft series he said if he was a GM he wouldn't let players touch the ball. He would only interview them. I would be the same as Chad. I see no point in workouts they can only hurt IMO.
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    I dont like Harrow at all Elijah is meh for me will be a good change of pace guy at the NBA level a team like Minney could use him to back up Rubio. I think Archie will be a pg at the NBA level I like him a lot. He is like a bigger Eric Bledsoe freak athlete and plays a million mph which is good and bad. I love the effort he plays with on both ends. My guess is he is the pg that devlopes well under Cal. Archie will be a kid I follow closely he is a great guard.
    start of the year

    The 2 kids I really like at the pg spot are Ray McCallum at Detroit he has the tools and has been well coached I look forward to seeing if he has improved this year. I think he will be a solid pro. I also like Mike Dixon as a backup but he just got suspended by Mizzu.

    I really like UK's backup C Willie Cauley-Stein he is still raw but kids gonna be really good I like his tools for the NBA. He will be a guy whos tape early on and in March will be a night and day difference. I have a few others who I like so far but Willie has impressed me the most from the Frosh I have seen so far.
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    I view Marcus Smart as a pg so I dont know it will be close..


    right now my order is Smart, Burke, MCW

    also I still love Archie Goodwin and would still try him at pg but I wont list him because he is really a naturally SG.
    10-15 games in

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    MCW is good but his #s are a bit inflated IMO my ranking isn't based on background either . Ill take Smart and Burke easily over MCW. I just don't like him quite as much as some do for the NBA. I do like him as a potential starter if he fixes some flaws but his numbers are a bit inflated.

    although it doesn't hurt that scouts say Smart has franchise culture changing makeup. He has great work ethic and is a true leader and great teammate from the reports based on unbiased scouts.


    Goodwin is also a good makeup guy from what I have read which is one reason why I would try him at pg some at the next level.

    EDIT about to see what this UK team is made of the last 5mins at Vandy
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    To play in a rotation next year? I agree but I would be fine with WCS and Goodwin as projects not a big fan of Poythress anymore and I loved him in HS. WCS in the right place with the right player development could be unreal in 5+ years.
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    about, Archie he is not a good defender IMO. Slow footed and reads the PnR awful.(that is correctable with coaching). He actually reminds me of Lance on defense except he doesn't have the edge like Lance. Lance was much more physical in college and that is the reason I believe Lance has become a good defender in the NBA. He also ball watches too much off the balll. Archie is not what this team needs for next year. I like him long term in the NBA ,but not for us and there is a good chance he never pans out.
    March



    I loved him all year Really and still do. I hyped up Erick Green the same way all season. I also gave my man Jamaal Franklin a ton of praise. The only guy I really soured on who I liked early was Crabbe. I like he most of the year, but the more tape I watched the more I started to ask myself who does he guard? Also Mike Dixon kind of flamed out. A lot of guys who made impressions this year. It really was a fun year of basketball.
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