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    How about the 9'0'' standing reach? Or did they fudge that up somehow?

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    Look at Tyler and Olynk moves about as well as him with a similar body. Tyler is stronger though.
    But Olynyk actually has some skill.
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    I view Olynyk as incapable of playing defense worthy of being a major minutes rotation player, for us.

    That doesn't mean he couldn't be a role player with offensive ability- his shot is way way better than either Tyler or McBob. He might even be a Steve Novak someday. But you still have to hide him on D.

    If Dieng were there and we took Olynyk instead, I would grumble for sure.
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    From http://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/9/440...nba-draft-2013


    "Jeff Goodman, now at ESPN, wrote this after Ledo committed to Providence in 2011:

    Many of those who have suited up alongside Ledo aren't enamored with him because of his unwillingness to be a quality teammate -- and the attitude he often displays.

    Ledo's record this past July, at one point, was 1-10. The last high-level guy who had a mark like that one was Renardo Sidney, and um, look what's happened with him.

    Let's hope I am wrong about Ledo - and he winds up academically qualifying and buying into his role as a member of a team.

    However, I'm skeptical."

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    I'm beginning to become intrigued by Ricky Ledo.

    Read Draftexpress write up on him, it might change your opinion.

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    Draftexpress new mock came out, and has the Pacers taking
    Hardaway at #23
    Siva at #53

    Not impressed with those picks.

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    Yes it would. 6'10 wingspan is small for the NBA. You have to be crazy athletic and skilled to make up for that small of body. I mean Blake Griffin is limited in many areas of the game due to his 6'11 wingspan, and he is crazy athletic.


    Look at Tyler and Olynk moves about as well as him with a similar body. Tyler is stronger though.
    You are correct but I thought Olynk's strength is his shooting? That is Griffin's weakness.
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    Draftexpress new mock came out, and has the Pacers taking
    Hardaway at #23
    Siva at #53

    Not impressed with those picks.
    I like Siva at 53 but I am not a big fan of Hardaway and basically I think our sg position is fine for a couple of years with OJ.

    Siva defense would be awesome on the Pacers and he would be really nice next to Lance off the bench. Siva motor and focus would fit in nicely IMO. Put him on high pick and roll situations with Jeff or Ian and I think he could run the 2nd string offense.
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    Read Draftexpress write up on him, it might change your opinion.
    Draftexpress has been wrong about plenty of players(like every scout is) it is a great site, but no one is the law for a player.


    I have heard the negatives on him, but I have read some great reports about his game. It seems he is a flat out scorer. We are just saying we are interested. If you never watch a guy it is very interesting to see what he can do. Especially when every report I read says he is a lottery talent. We will find out next year on how he turns out, well more likely 4 years from now.


    On Kelly's standing reach. I mean that is ok, but I dont think it is amazing and it surely doesn't negate his wingspan.. He has the size of an undersized 4. Ed Davis is as longer than Kelly so is Derrick Williams. I just think the way he plays combined with the short arms will really limit him at the next level. I mean Kevin Love is really the only guy I can think of with that frame that has a ton of success banging and boarding. But Love and Kelly's games are so different hard to compare. Kevin Love is a much better athlete than Kelly too. I just don't know I dont see him translating. I think best case is a offensive specialist who is a liability in defense. I just don't think he has what guys like Faried have to make up for his lack of size JMO.

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    You are correct but I thought Olynk's strength is his shooting? That is Griffin's weakness.
    I was referring to Blake's defense. It is terrible and he is pretty athletic. I just don't see who Kelly can guard in the NBA with his size and agility combo on defense. I dont see Kelly rebounding in the NBA, so are you really going to play a guy who all he can do is shoot and hurts the team in every other area? I would pass.

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    I've been doing some research today, and as a late pick James Ennis seems interesting. He's a SF with a nice wingspan of almost 7'. He shot 36% from the 3, seems pretty good at "D", and can finish at the rim. Raw as only played 2 years D1 ball, but interesting for a #53 pick.

    Anyone know if he's had a workout with the Pacers?

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    I've been doing some research today, and as a late pick James Ennis seems interesting. He's a SF with a nice wingspan of almost 7'. He shot 36% from the 3, seems pretty good at "D", and can finish at the rim. Raw as only played 2 years D1 ball, but interesting for a #53 pick.

    Anyone know if he's had a workout with the Pacers?
    Yes he has been one of my favorite guys for us, his tape isn't great though. He isn't NBA ready. He needs some coaching, but I like the tools a lot. He has great defensive potential. I doubt he will be there at #53. I like him a lot as a guy to throw at LBJ, . I have watched a ton of him this year and last year. He did a great job on Orlando last year. He still looks lost at times, but he has a chance.

    EDIT: Pretty sure I commented on him a while back here.
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    Im pretty sure the Pacers could straighten him out. Heck, Lance might even be a helping hand to a guy like that now.

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    Draftexpress new mock came out, and has the Pacers taking
    Hardaway at #23
    Siva at #53

    Not impressed with those picks.
    That's a solid draft in terms of need. I've been wanting Hardaway Jr. since March when everyone said he was a mid 2nd round pick...appears to be climbing

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    Comparing Ford's mock draft 4 to his mock draft 5 and there are some players who moved in the mock 5.

    Players moving down

    Schroeder from 14 to 21
    Gobert from 17 to 26
    Dieng from 22 to 28
    Franklin from 18 to 20

    Those moving up

    Plumlee up to 17 from 20
    Antetokounmpo up to 18 from 29
    Bullock up to 19 from 23
    Noguiera up to 14 from 28
    Ledo up to 25 from 27


    Players moving up to 1st rd

    Hardaway
    Snell
    Abrines

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    I won't worry about the Pacers drafting someone unless they have they in for a workout. Otherwise it doesn't happen. If it does, like in the case of Jerryd Bayless...that player will be traded for a player that worked out for the Pacers, which in this example was Brandon Rush.

    Hansbrough, PG, Lance, Hibbert via trade, Orlando Johnson, Plumlee, AJ Price, Magnum Rolle... all worked out for the Pacers

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    Draftexpress has been wrong about plenty of players(like every scout is) it is a great site, but no one is the law for a player.


    I have heard the negatives on him, but I have read some great reports about his game. It seems he is a flat out scorer. We are just saying we are interested. If you never watch a guy it is very interesting to see what he can do. Especially when every report I read says he is a lottery talent. We will find out next year on how he turns out, well more likely 4 years from now.


    On Kelly's standing reach. I mean that is ok, but I dont think it is amazing and it surely doesn't negate his wingspan.. He has the size of an undersized 4. Ed Davis is as longer than Kelly so is Derrick Williams. I just think the way he plays combined with the short arms will really limit him at the next level. I mean Kevin Love is really the only guy I can think of with that frame that has a ton of success banging and boarding. But Love and Kelly's games are so different hard to compare. Kevin Love is a much better athlete than Kelly too. I just don't know I dont see him translating. I think best case is a offensive specialist who is a liability in defense. I just don't think he has what guys like Faried have to make up for his lack of size JMO.


    Novak type player... stretch 4 with no "D"??

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    I won't worry about the Pacers drafting someone unless they have they in for a workout. Otherwise it doesn't happen. If it does, like in the case of Jerryd Bayless...that player will be traded for a player that worked out for the Pacers, which in this example was Brandon Rush.

    Hansbrough, PG, Lance, Hibbert via trade, Orlando Johnson, Plumlee, AJ Price, Magnum Rolle... all worked out for the Pacers
    This is what ive been saying pretty much everyone so far is a legit 2nd round pick the only one's that come to mind that we have worked out are Hardway Jr and Rice that's it.
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    I was referring to Blake's defense. It is terrible and he is pretty athletic. I just don't see who Kelly can guard in the NBA with his size and agility combo on defense. I dont see Kelly rebounding in the NBA, so are you really going to play a guy who all he can do is shoot and hurts the team in every other area? I would pass.
    and if i recall, he was also one of the slowest players in the combine too.
    big guy with short arms and slow- we had one of those before didn't we?
    not saying he is murphy 2.0 but what if he is?

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    I love Olynyk's huge scoring ability for our team. Sure, it'd be nice if he had better physical attributes to give us more confidence in his NBA defense, but if he had those things, this discussion would be irrelevant as he'd be a top-5 pick. Personally, I think we have plenty of defensive bigs as it stands. I'd like to see another scorer, and that's exactly what Olynyk can do on a very high level.

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    I won't worry about the Pacers drafting someone unless they have they in for a workout. Otherwise it doesn't happen. If it does, like in the case of Jerryd Bayless...that player will be traded for a player that worked out for the Pacers, which in this example was Brandon Rush.

    Hansbrough, PG, Lance, Hibbert via trade, Orlando Johnson, Plumlee, AJ Price, Magnum Rolle... all worked out for the Pacers
    You listed off the Bird era of drafting. I imagine Pritchard is similar, but still a chance he operates differently (like conduct some private workouts and people aren't aware they happen, like supposedly what we did with CJ McCollum).
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    Also Kevin Love has dropped 20lbs since coming into the league easy. It wasnt until he hired a chef and got in great shape that he became Klove. I would imagine if you tested him now he would test much better.


    I can't believe I called someone a worse athlete than Klove that is pretty bad. I just don't know I love that someone mentioned Murphy he might be Murphy without the rebounding I just don't see him translating. Again I really hope I am wrong about him.

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    I love Olynyk's huge scoring ability for our team. Sure, it'd be nice if he had better physical attributes to give us more confidence in his NBA defense, but if he had those things, this discussion would be irrelevant as he'd be a top-5 pick. Personally, I think we have plenty of defensive bigs as it stands. I'd like to see another scorer, and that's exactly what Olynyk can do on a very high level.
    It's not just his defensive limitations that scare me, it's his lack of rebounding, shot blocking, foot speed, etc. (At 7'0 and playing sub-par comp most of the time he averaged less than 7 Rebs and less than a block per game) He's essentially a much slower Chris Bosh, which isn't what we need.

    I think in the right system he could be a nice starter, just not here. Our frontline is slow enough as it is.

    If we draft a big they should have the ability to play with West or Roy both offensively and defensively IMO
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    This is what ive been saying pretty much everyone so far is a legit 2nd round pick the only one's that come to mind that we have worked out are Hardway Jr and Rice that's it.
    Tony Mitchell has also been projected in most 1st round mocks. Some feel CJ Leslie is a 1st round talent as well.

    So based off who we've had in so far. Hardaway Jr, Rice Jr, Leslie and Mitchell.

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    You listed off the Bird era of drafting. I imagine Pritchard is similar, but still a chance he operates differently (like conduct some private workouts and people aren't aware they happen, like supposedly what we did with CJ McCollum).
    Haven't heard your CJ McCollum rumor/speculation. True it was under Bird, but I would be shocked if we drafted a kept a player that we never had in for a workout

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