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    Let's sign Allen Iverson!

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    Is there some advantage to the Pacers in Roy not signing the offer sheet?
    Yes-- we retain his current cap hold until he signs with us, rather than Portland's year 1 figure. This lets us have more cap room to make another signing, and THEN sign Roy. That means we could exceed the cap more in the final analysis, but stay under the LT level.
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    By not signing the offer sheet it allows him to be traded to Portland in the near future, where as signing it and then being matched would have prevented that for 4 years.

    ...not sure it's the full length of the contract, but either way it's certainly true that a S&T's far easier now. Which is the scary part.

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    That's either "Success" or the kid is really constipated!
    I'd hate to be walking behind him on the beach!
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    Maybe they can wait to actually sign him and the cap hold would be the number counted against the salary cap, not the new contract amount. If it even works that way. If so, it would allow them to sign a FA, then sign Roy and Hill for that matter.
    I thought this is how it worked. By him not signing the sheet and allowing the Pacers to sign someone else first that allows the "Bird Rights" to go into effect for Roy and gives more cap flexibility.
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    If my math is right, the Pacers will be over the cap after re-signing Hill and Hibbert, so they'll have the mid-level to spend, which may or may not be enough to get Mayo.
    We will still have room under the cap to make a deal. The commitments/terms to Hibbert and Hill are agreed to, however we won't finalize (submit the paperwork) until after we make our other intended FA moves using our cap space. We can then go over the cap when we finalize Hibbert/Hill via bird rights. Just b/c the media says a deal is done, doesn't mean it's signed, sealed, delivered and against our cap that very day. Teams handshake the deal and play/time the system to their advantage (as they should).

    IMO the Pacers will tell Hibbert they will match but will wait the full 3 days to do so. HIll will likely get done the same time (around 7/14). Pacers now have 5 days to use their cap to get guys like Mayo, Brand, etc., and then go over the cap for Hibbert/Hill. My fear is that Mayo is going to hold out on PHX in hopes that NO matches and they throw big money his way.

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    That's even better, letting him know we will match if we have to, but giving us the flexibility to sign another piece as well.
    What it suggests to me is that we have free-agent plans that exceed the MLE. Whether that's one fairly big signing, or multiple, smaller signings, we'll have to wait and see.

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    Wait, wait, wait...did we just get our first Pritch-slap? Have Portland tie up all their resources on Roy only to have him bail at the last second back to Indy?
    Actually, it's the opposite. Now that Roy isn't signing with them at all, Portland's money doesn't get tied up and they're free to pursue other FAs.

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    By not signing the offer sheet it allows him to be traded to Portland in the near future, where as signing it and then being matched would have prevented that for 4 years.

    Nah, the no trade rule is only for one year.

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

    I would lmao if they signed and traded Roy. (in a sad/bad way) All this optimism just crushed.
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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

    Yeah, but at this point you could argue Portland is well behind other teams in talking to FAs.

    Also, SI saying Roy had at least 3 teams offer him the max?

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    ...not sure it's the full length of the contract, but either way it's certainly true that a S&T's far easier now. Which is the scary part.
    Don't worry about it too much. I doubt Hibbert would agree to put off Portland's offer sheet if he was being S&T'd.

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    Let's sign Allen Iverson!
    Do you really think that's the Answer?

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    Via Mike Wells' Twitter account:

    @MikeWellsNBA: The Pacers are matching Portland's 4-year, $58 million offer to Roy Hibbert, according to a source

    (Mods feels free to delete, but I thought this deserved it's own thread)
    Is that like a 90% chance Mike or what?

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    No.

    He still has to sign portland's offer, and the pacers still have to file a notification to the NBA that they will match it.

    If Roy doesn't sign the offer sheet, Portland will cut all ties with him and indiana will be able to low ball him with whatever contract offer they want.
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    Indy, per source, will give Hibbert the same terms that Portland was ready to give in offer sheet, & so won't technically "match" the sheet.

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    Not only that, according to kstat it's not even possible, ever, in any circumstance, to break a verbal agreement.

    This entire story is a twisted joke.
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    Don't worry about it too much. I doubt Hibbert would agree to put off Portland's offer sheet if he was being S&T'd.
    That and apparently Wells got it straight from Roy's mouth. If a S&T was going down Roy'd obviously know.

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    Do you really think that's the Answer?
    Heck yeah! And let's get Vin Baker to back up D-West! Spend them dolla bills!

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    I would lmao if they signed and traded Roy. (in a sad/bad way) All this optimism just crushed.
    I am not optimistic about paying an average player $14mill a year. Those kind of deals should go to players who have produced instead of players you hope might one day produce. Roy is an average player and now he is grossly overpaid. This was not a good situation for the Pacers to be in.

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    Is there some advantage to the Pacers in Roy not signing the offer sheet?
    Yes, a couple.

    The one that intrigues me the most is that if it ends up being the same amount but not necessarily the same deal, that puts us in a much better situation for now and the years to come. It allows us to structure the contract with Roy so that we can pay him in a way that will allow us to target other FA's or sign back our guys in the future and not be locked up financially with a crazy contract.

    And it seems like if Roy wants this team to continue getting better then he would do it.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    Heck yeah! And let's get Vin Baker to back up D-West! Spend them dolla bills!
    Baker'd never come here. No booze on Sundays.

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    No.

    He still has to sign portland's offer, and the pacers still have to file a notification to the NBA that they will match it.

    If Roy doesn't sign the offer sheet, Portland will cut all ties with him and indiana will be able to low ball him with whatever contract offer they want.
    This must be why the Pacers let go of Morway. To make sure Roy's paperwork is filed on time.

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    Baker'd never come here. No booze on Sundays.


    Maybe we can get Keon Clark as well...

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    Nah, the no trade rule is only for one year.
    Once a player is matched he can't be traded to the team offering the contract for the duration of the contract (4 years), he actually can be traded in the first year, but the player gets veto power so he is able to turn down trades he doesn't like.

    Here is a link to the explanation (first Q&A):
    http://www.hornets247.com/blog/2012/...nick-collison/

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

    Maybe the Pacers are unloading Tyler

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