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Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

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  • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

    Good news. Sure, he is getting overpaid, but unfortunately thats just the nature of things. Trying to fill his spot would have been incredibly difficult. Roy means a lot to this franchise both on and off the court. Can you imagine no more Area 55? No more Big Roy going straight up as someone drives the lane? Just wouldn't be right.

    I am curious to see how things go from here. I would imagine some other announcements are gonna happen soon, which is why they said they will match today. Its an odd day to "decide" to match (well not match but make the offer). They have either heard yes or no from guys they are looking to sign and are in the clear to be able to afford Hibbert's contract.

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    • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

      Great job by the FO. Roy is the type of person that you want on the team. He is big, he is a talent and still has potential to improve, and he is a person you can build around. I am a big believer in team chemistry and this team has the right type of chemistry. Do we have a Lebron on our team no. But we continue to improve each year. You never know when it is your time to make that run. So many things have to go right to help. I'm sure Rose getting hurt helped Miami get through. Don't know who would have won that series had the Bulls been fully healthy.

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      • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

        Originally posted by jdw View Post
        Welcome to the Association, where a competent 7-footer can command $14 million a year....

        Seriously though, look at the emotion in this thread. Roy's value to the Pacers goes beyond his on-court performance. Worth what he's going to get paid? Time will tell, but the franchise's popularity in the community is greater now than it was two hours ago.
        No doubt! Below average 7's just got $8mill. I dont see anyway that this team will seriously compete for a title paying $28mill to two decent players (Roy/DG). Teams are not winning with max contract Centers anymore. Dont see how they are going to win with a soft center being paid $14mill.

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        • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

          I am satisfied now, but I hope we sign sixth man. Oj might end up out of reach, so hopefully we at least go for C.Lee or someone else.

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          • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

            Trading a 1st rd pick for Marshon Brooks sounds great! Now that they have paid elite money to 2 mediocre players (Roy/DG), there probably is not enough money to go and get someone who can take over a game.
            Bittersweet about the signing. Glad to have Roy back but sad the Pacers will not contend for a title.
            Last edited by troyc11a; 07-09-2012, 04:40 PM.

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            • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              Does this mean that the Pacers will not technically sign the contract offer that the Blazers sent him....but that he will sign a newly minted contract from the Pacers that gives him the same amount of $$$ ( if not more $$$ ) but is structured favorably over the course of 5 seasons?
              Originally posted by fwpacerfan View Post
              Yes
              anything is possible, but probably not.

              the tweets posted seemed to indicate roy will sign a contract exactly like the one portland offered. Roy evidently wants to get paid as much as he can, which is ok. The use of a 5th year at a lower rate just defeats the whole point of going to portland in the first place.

              The contact Roy signs is exactly the same as the portland contract. The time he signs it is different. That timing allows the pacers to make deals with only the cap hold on the books instead of the whole $13.6M.

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              • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

                Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                anything is possible, but probably not.

                the tweets posted seemed to indicate roy will sign a contract exactly like the one portland offered. Roy evidently wants to get paid as much as he can, which is ok. The use of a 5th year at a lower rate just defeats the whole point of going to portland in the first place.

                The contact Roy signs is exactly the same as the portland contract. The time he signs it is different. That timing allows the pacers to make deals with only the cap hold on the books instead of the whole $13.6M.
                Maybe we'll put in a fifth year non-guaranteed to make up for the original low-ball offer? I don't know. Just sayin...

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                • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

                  What if Pritchard suspected all along that the Blazers would offer Roy the max in order to screw with us so we low-balled him, let him get the offer from Portland, and then WA-POW! PRITCH SLAP!

                  (Note: This post is a completely humorous fabrication on my part and by no means represents anything close to reality. Please do not run with this like it's got legs. That is all.)

                  PRITCH SLAP!!!

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                  • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

                    Originally posted by 5_7_Clash View Post
                    What if Pritchard suspected all along that the Blazers would offer Roy the max in order to screw with us so we low-balled him, let him get the offer from Portland, and then WA-POW! PRITCH SLAP!

                    (Note: This post is a completely humorous fabrication on my part and by no means represents anything close to reality. Please do not run with this like it's got legs. That is all.)

                    PRITCH SLAP!!!
                    I bet you are right on the fact that Pritchard didnt want to sign Roy outright. Now, instead of being on the hook for 5 years at real max money, He is on the hook for 4 years and less money per year. If Roy doesnt pan out, he can be let go and is less of a financial hit.

                    4/58 >>>>>>>>> 5/76

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                    • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

                      This is great news, imo, even if Roy's overpaid. I'm very happy he'll be back with the Pacers. It sets a very good precedent that we'll reward players who work hard and contribute to the city.

                      I'm very glad to be wrong on this one. I thought the writing was on the wall about our spending. It still may be to an extent, but I didn't think we'd keep Roy.

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                      • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

                        ok roy the only thing i ask for is if you're around the rim SLAM IT HOME BIG MAN!!!! no more layups

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                        • Re: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

                          Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                          Good.

                          I didn't want to change my avatar.
                          I gotta change mine.
                          "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                          "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                          • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

                            Originally posted by troyc11a View Post
                            Trading a 1st rd pick for Marshon Brooks sounds great! Now that they have paid elite money to 2 mediocre players (Roy/DG), there probably is not enough money to go and get someone who can take over a game.
                            Bittersweet about the signing. Glad to have Roy back but sad the Pacers will not contend for a title.
                            I'm sorry, but Roy and DG do not get paid elite money. Elite money is was Deron Williams just signed. Neither get paid anything near that. Danny's contract isn't bad at all and is actually very movable if need be. Yeah Roy is getting overpaid, but not terribly overpaid.

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                            • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

                              Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                              Not only that, according to kstat it's not even possible, ever, in any circumstance, to break a verbal agreement.

                              This entire story is a twisted joke.
                              To be fair to Kstat, anyone who works based on verbal contracts (be it a lawyer of an agent) is really only going off their reputation (eg their word)

                              Now one thing that I always laugh about is how "out of the loop" we as fans are. Unless you are the Portland GM, Pacers GM, or Roy's agent, you probably do not know everything that is going on. And I am willing to bet one (if not more) of them is confused right now, as well.

                              All that said, this place really needed this news. I swear I thought people went crazy after 11/19, the past 2 weeks this place took it to a whole nother level.

                              I just hope Roy doesnt break his verbal deal with the Pacers and back out
                              Last edited by vapacersfan; 07-09-2012, 05:12 PM.

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                              • Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

                                I'll be glad to see him back.. dude is going to be pretty rich though.

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