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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

    Most disappointing thing of the day, mods closed Grangerous's thread before I got to say something snarky!!!

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

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    Lol dude it has not even been a day, that is a bunch, and that thread was about so much and had a ton of time to develop, and more than 75 % of it is probably redundant...
    I was just joking. I should have typed it in green.

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    53 pages on the thread about Portland offering Roy the max only 13 when the Pacers say they are matching. Come on guys let's get excited!
    It didn't get to 53 pages in 7 hours...

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

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    Glad to have Roy back but sad the Pacers will not contend for a title.
    This is our best chance to contend. Without Roy we would simply be a treadmill team.

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

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    It didn't get to 53 pages in 7 hours...
    I know how to get people to quote me now.

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    So you know for a fact the deal is the exact same? Front loaded and all.
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    Indy, per source, will give Hibbert the same terms that Portland was ready to give in offer sheet, & so won't technically "match" the sheet
    I guess you can tell David Aldridge he's wrong too.

    That information certainly sounds more like Indiana was doing Portland a favor, than anyone negotiating with Hibbert.

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

    Who says the Pacers can't contend for a title? We're putting our hopes in our own guys to improve, do we no longer believe Paul George is going to develop into a very good player? Or Hibbert will improve? Or even Hill and Collison? This is also the first time our guys have gotten a training camp with Frank Vogel and we're likely to sign a difference maker off of the bench.

    We had the 5th best record in the NBA last season, and we're likely to leapfrog Chicago this year, Wade is declining, though still very good. IMO anyone that is a top 3 seed in their conference IS contending for a title, and we still have lots of room to grow, unlike most of the other more established top teams. Not resigning Roy was never an option, we'd instantly plop from a top team to a middling one.

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

    Roy Roy is going to be one wealthy man. So who's going to suggest a little expansion with his section...AREA 18,165 :P
    All those season tix is pocket change now lol

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    I guess you can tell David Aldridge he's wrong too.

    That information certainly sounds more like Indiana was doing Portland a favor, than anyone negotiating with Hibbert.
    Won't go down without a fight eh?

    How about a little common sense. Why would Indiana offer the exact same contract as Portland? If they're happy with Portland's exact same contract, they'll just tell Roy to sign the offer sheet and match in 3 days. No reason to do Portland a favor, when they might use their freed up space to drive up the price of our other FA targets.

    Anyway Aldridge (and Wells) HAVE been wrong - they both thought Hibbert was signing Portland's offer sheet, and that's definitely been proven wrong. The problem is that journalists aren't making the fine distinctions that we're arguing about, and especially not in an informal medium like twitter.

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    Roy Roy is going to be one wealthy man. So who's going to suggest a little expansion with his section...AREA 18,165 :P
    All those season tix is pocket change now lol
    Yep, they'll get rid of that lousy name, Bankers Life Fieldhouse, and just call it Arena 55.

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

    I think that the reason that Roy would not sign the contract from Portland has less to do with doing a favor for Portland than it does giving ourselves more of a chance to sign other players...

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

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    Won't go down without a fight eh?

    How about a little common sense. Why would Indiana offer the exact same contract as Portland? If they're happy with Portland's exact same contract, they'll just tell Roy to sign the offer sheet and match in 3 days. No reason to do Portland a favor, when they might use their freed up space to drive up the price of our other FA targets.
    Why would we be cordial to Portland? Why don't we chase RFA's? Same thing.

    Also it allows us to be in more control of when Hill/Hibbert sign their contracts and allows us to use our cap space before hand if we so choose. It honestly just makes sense for all involved to do it that way.

    If you want to apply common sense, if the Pacers were willing to give more money and negotiate something Roy liked better than the Portland offer, then why did they allow him to go as far as he did with Portland? Why not just offer more years and whatever to keep that from happening in the first place? Makes no sense. Why would you negotiate a contract that you weren't willing to offer before, now that you don't have to?
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    Also it allows us to be in more control of when Hill/Hibbert sign their contracts and allows us to use our cap space before hand if we so choose. It honestly just makes sense for all involved to do it that way.
    I interpreted "same terms" as same money total over 4 years, I would assume the Pacers would spread the yearly dollar amount out in way that better suits them rather the front loaded contract reported. I guess time will tell.

    But your statement here alone was the entire point of Roy not signing the offer sheet, something that you said wasn't possible. The Pacers have more control by getting Roy to sign with them and not with POR. It's simple, you made a mistake, no big deal.

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

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    I think that the reason that Roy would not sign the contract from Portland has less to do with doing a favor for Portland than it does giving ourselves more of a chance to sign other players...
    This ^^^

    Roy signing with us gives us more time to pursue other FA's before his deal would eat up our cap space.
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    If you want to apply common sense, if the Pacers were willing to give more money and negotiate something Roy liked better than the Portland offer, then why did they allow him to go as far as he did with Portland? Why not just offer more years and whatever to keep that from happening in the first place? Makes no sense. Why would you negotiate a contract that you weren't willing to offer before, now that you don't have to?
    My guess is that Pacers weren't sure that they wanted to commit to 4 years/$58m before. But now that they have, it makes sense to do a years vs money tradeoff, assuming Hibby is willing to play ball.

    But yeah, that's something that seems blindingly obvious to me but that no one else seems to accept. If it turns out I'm wrong, I'd be happy to admit it. Just as I let go of my argument when Wells "confirmed" that Hibbert was signing with Portland. If Hibbert does sign for 5 years though, I'm going to post "I TOLD YOU SO"s all over the freaking forum

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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

    so, has everyone gotten off the ledge / put away the knives now?

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    So, As I have said, there was no agreement with Roy and Portland. Simply Portland offering an offer sheet.

    So, Falk is not damned by anyone cause his client didn't hold up to his side of an agreement, cause there wasn't ever an agreement to begin with.

    I just had to get that out here to the ones that was trippin and putting words out there that wasn't even out.
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    Default Re: Mike Wells: Pacers matching Roy's offer sheet!

    Also, I'm happy that Roy will be here, just wish it was for a little less. Might still happen, but I doubt it!
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    Roy didn't pay for that flight, it was probably on Portlands dime since he was flying out there for his physical and such.

    I can just imagine Pritchard and Walsh (probably on a hover round with pritchard on the back) racing through the airport, dodging people left and right and screaming " ROY! ROY! WE STILL LOVE YOU!"
    So Pritchard let the Blazers think they were going to get him, fly him out there, only for Pritchard to stop Hibbert at the gate and make Paul Allen waste a plane ticket.

    Probably the best Pritch-Slap possible. He's been planning that one since he was fired in Portland. Take that, Paul Allen!

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    So, As I have said, there was no agreement with Roy and Portland. Simply Portland offering an offer sheet.

    So, Falk is not damned by anyone cause his client didn't hold up to his side of an agreement, cause there wasn't ever an agreement to begin with.

    I just had to get that out here to the ones that was trippin and putting words out there that wasn't even out.
    So Roy was getting ready to fly to Portland to go through the physical and paperwork for an agreement that didn't exist? I may have been wrong that he would sign the offer sheet, but you're certainly wrong that there wasn't an agreement.

    Also, no Falk won't be condemned for anything because all parties agreed to bypass the offer sheet.

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    Yeah, it's in all parties' interest to forego the offer sheet.

    Roy because he helps the Pacers get more players, doesn't get the negative press from signing with another team, and gets the same money either way.
    Pacers because it helps them sign other players.
    Blazers because it helps them sign other players/re-sign Batum.

    And, for the record, our front office essentially put on a clinic on how to negotiate with a RFA:
    1.) Present low ball offer
    2.) Allow the market to set his value (Portland)
    3.) Weigh offer and declare willingness to match if deemed in the organization's interest
    4.) Revisit negotiations of initial offer (got lucky here)

    Of course, one would have preferred Roy to have taken less money to begin with but alas, that is not how it works.
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    An agent only has his word to go on. If Roy said "screw it, I am going going to go sign a 2 year deal with Indiana and leave Portland waiting for me at the airpor" Faulk and his team would take a major credibility hit.
    This is just simply not true. Sports agents are only concerned about putting their clients in the best position to make the most money. If Roy was to flake out on Portland he would just simply tell them that is client has changed his mind. There is no perceived failure on the agents part, the agent is not working for or with the team.
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    So Roy was getting ready to fly to Portland to go through the physical and paperwork for an agreement that didn't exist? I may have been wrong that he would sign the offer sheet, but you're certainly wrong that there wasn't an agreement.

    Also, no Falk won't be condemned for anything because all parties agreed to bypass the offer sheet.
    All parties agreed to bypass the offer sheet...LOL!
    There isn't an offer sheet to sign cause the Pacers and Hibbert agree on resigning a new Contract. This party you speak of doesn't include Portland. Portland has no control or right to Roy and never did. Portland and Roy had no agreement. Portland was simply putting an offer sheet on the table and Hibbert can either sign it or not. As far as going to Portland to get a physical, my god man, that is standard procedure.

    An intent to sign an offer sheet that a team has committed to do for said player is a one way commitment unless the player verbally agrees to sign. The intent for a player to possibly sign an offer sheet that is to be given to him is not an agreement. Multiple teams may put offer sheets on the table for the same player and each team will want said player to have a physical done before the offer sheet hits the table.

    I hope you take the time to read this and understand for future RFA periods. It may keep you from having a headache!

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    Most disappointing thing of the day, mods closed Grangerous's thread before I got to say something snarky!!!
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    I agree with this part:

    In other words, Hibbert isnt a franchise-changing superstar, but hes a fine two-way center, and those are worth big money. I might be wrong, but Id wager today that the Pacers are more likely to regret paying Hill $40 million over five years than paying Hibbert $58 million over four.
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