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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

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  • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

    There has been a lot of empty Mall space during the downturn.

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    • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
      ...not for much longer when the new CBA really kicks in... I'd imagine a good chunk of that $107 million the Nets are about to be taxed will be going straight into his pockets.
      Which doesn't neccesarily entice small market owners like simon to overpay. It's almost more beneficial to them if the big markets are better than they are.
      "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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      • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

        I don't mind that Simon is being prudent, it's his money and he can do whatever he choose to do with it. However, it's just the thought that this team is sooooooooooooo close. I'd hate to see it regress or fall back into mediocrity when we're pretty much just one big piece away. Additionally, if Hibbert bolts, all the strides that this team has made the past two seasons will be lost.

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        • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

          Originally posted by rock747 View Post
          Which doesn't neccesarily entice small market owners like simon to overpay. It's almost more beneficial to them if the big markets are better than they are.
          yes, but it also gives you more money to re-invest into your product.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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          • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

            And Simon is a businessman more than a competitor. He might be competitive in business ventures, but a quest for money/assets is different than a quest for a trophy. So it very well could be his goals for the team are vastly different than someone like Birds might be.

            And it would explain Walsh's return.... I could see Bird suggesting Walsh if that is the way Simon wants to run the team.

            But this is not the way to run a team if you want to fill the seats with rabid fans and get the bandwagon rolling. There can never be a good enough. There should always be a striving to improve long term, as well as the understanding short term pain can lead to long term gain.
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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            • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
              yes, but it also gives you more money to re-invest into your product.
              I suppose it does, but also less incentive to invest money into your product.
              "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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              • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                yes, but it also gives you more money to re-invest into your product.
                And also allows you to find buyers who do not have to take on much long term debt which is exactly what concerns me. You sell off pieces before you sell. A guy closing in on 80 has to decide what to do with his hobbies if family members are or aren't interested.

                Herb bought out Mel's shares since Mel's heirs didn't want the team. We'll see if Herb's heirs feel the same way.
                Last edited by speakout4; 07-08-2012, 12:03 PM.

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                • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

                  he's better off doing that than leaving it to a family member that doesn't want the team.

                  It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                  • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

                    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                    yes, but it also gives you more money to re-invest into your product.
                    It could also make those owners to not give a damn because either way they are making money.
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      It could also make those owners to not give a damn because either way they are making money.
                      ...because when they were losing money they spent so much more of it?

                      you're more likely to invest money into a product that you're making a profit on and make even more money.

                      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                      Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                      NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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                      • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

                        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                        ...because when they were losing money they spent so much more of it?

                        you're more likely to invest money into a product that you're making a profit on and make even more money.
                        I see the same thing with soccer teams, nope they don't care to invest that money back to the teams, as long as they are making money they don't care.
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

                          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                          Simon LOSES money on this team every year. In the millions. He's been dedicated to keeping this franchise in this state for decades. He's made it clear he will only give the team to someone else who feels the same way when the time comes. Without him, there's no team to even consider spending $1,000 a year on.

                          You have the right to be angry, but that doesn't give you a pass to be rude. I hate it when people can't make that distinction. You can show respect even while expressing your angry opinion! That should be the rule in general, but in the case of Herb Simon, his generosity and class especially so!
                          Losing money on the team every year is his own doing, he chose the contract he signed with the city. He chose who ran the organization. Its not the fans fault that he loses money. And as for the last 5-6 years or so, he chose to okay the trade for crap players with terrible contracts. You can say the fans demanded it of him, but It really didn't do him any good in the short term. They should have stayed patient and dealt those problem players for better deals.

                          Also we know with accounting tricks that the amount of money he loses every year is greatly exaggerated. Additionally with the new CBA and certain teams now willing to laugh at the Luxury tax penalties, Simon is going to re-coop a nice chunk of change from the other teams like NJ and NY.

                          Lets please get off the idea that Herb is the patron saint of basketball in Indianapolis.
                          We can't say in one sentence that he is a shrewd businessman who has made billions in the Indianapolis area, and then in the next say that he deserves our reverence because he has been flogged repeated for years from owning this franchise out the good of his heart.
                          Last edited by graphic-er; 07-08-2012, 12:24 PM.
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                          • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

                            Sounds like many people think it's time to get a new owner, like maybe a Sam Nassi or Nelson Skalbania type who can turn this franchise into the finest team Las Vegas has ever had.

                            If everyone just gets together and refuses to spend any money on the Pacers, since they had the effrontery and gall to only make it to the second round of the playoffs, the unity of purpose will make absolutely certain that no one in Indianapolis will be burdened with spending their hard-earned money on the NBA ever again.

                            Oh...
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

                              This offseason has just been a trainwreck so far. To go from last year where this team really appeared to be on the verge of becoming a contender, to doing nada to improve the roster or address flaws...that sucks. Especially when the roster may well be markedly WORSE than it was last year.

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                              • Re: NY Daily News: 'Larry Bird flew the coop in Indiana and the Pacers' billionaire owner is partly to blame'

                                Originally posted by BillS View Post
                                Sounds like many people think it's time to get a new owner, like maybe a Sam Nassi or Nelson Skalbania type who can turn this franchise into the finest team Las Vegas has ever had.

                                If everyone just gets together and refuses to spend any money on the Pacers, since they had the effrontery and gall to only make it to the second round of the playoffs, the unity of purpose will make absolutely certain that no one in Indianapolis will be burdened with spending their hard-earned money on the NBA ever again.

                                Oh...
                                I think they are better off moving to another city if their only goal is to get to the second round, how much money is the city of Indianapolis giving them again?
                                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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