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This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

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  • #31
    Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

    There's no point in shopping Hans alone, he'd probably get a 2nd round pick atm. Maybe a late 1st round pick from the Heat or Thunder or something. He's got virtually no trade value.
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

    ----------------- Reggie Miller

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    • #32
      Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

      Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
      Really? Okay.

      1. Tyler Hansbrough is 26 years old already. Lance Stephenson is five years younger.
      2. Tyler Hansbrough has had ample opportunity to prove himself. Lance Stephenson hasn't (yet).
      3. Tyler Hansbrough is undersized, all the time. Lance Stephenson is not.
      4. Tyler Hansbrough has no strengths that have translated (or look like they will ever translate) well to the NBA. Lance Stephenson is by default the best playmaker on the team (for the little it's worth, it means he does something better than everyone else), and could fill a colossal need as a slasher.

      Hansbrough has proven he's a huge liability on both sides of the ball, and we just don't know what Stephenson is yet because we haven't seen enough. Dunno what part is confusing you.
      Hoss, if he was as good as you fantasize; he would be playing.

      He's immature and he is clueless on the court most of the time. With the drafting of Johnson, he may also be out of a job.

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      • #33
        Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

        Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
        There's no point in shopping Hans alone, he'd probably get a 2nd round pick atm. Maybe a late 1st round pick from the Heat or Thunder or something. He's got virtually no trade value.
        No, not a lot. I would have to agree. His field goal percentage alone would scare off most teams. I would have taken a low 1st or high 2nd round pick in this years draft for him. Mainly because he is coming up for a contract and will want more than he is worth, so would be lost to the team anyway.

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        • #34
          Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

          Originally posted by J7F View Post
          The last great game I saw from Tyler was the 2nd preseason game vs. CHI... It was also the last game before David joined us... I always wondered why
          he shrank so much when we got West...
          I believe his numbers are down this year because he no longer play with the 1st unit. Tyler cannot really cannot create his own shot and playing with the 2nd unit reduces his open looks ...

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          • #35
            Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

            Originally posted by stew View Post
            I believe his numbers are down this year because he no longer play with the 1st unit. Tyler cannot really cannot create his own shot and playing with the 2nd unit reduces his open looks ...
            Not sure I buy this. He has always created his own shot--even in college. When I say "created his own shot," I mean getting to the free throw line. That is his game. First or second unit has little to do with it imo.

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            • #36
              Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

              Originally posted by WhoLovesYaBaby? View Post
              Hoss, if he was as good as you fantasize; he would be playing.

              He's immature and he is clueless on the court most of the time. With the drafting of Johnson, he may also be out of a job.
              Hoss? Explain, please.

              Two people quoted my post in its entirety and didn't read it at all, instead pretending something else was written, something glowingly positive about Lance Stephenson. At least now I know why the guy on page 1 was confused, must be something going around.

              To help you out here, I never said Lance Stephenson was good or "as good." You quoted me, look at what you quoted. I simply said that we do not know what he is yet.

              I gave him faint praise and I not only qualified but tempered that twice, by immediately saying "by default" and "for the little it's worth." If you want to argue the point I made then let's do it. Show me a better playmaker on the team (if you say DC it'll be a short exchange) last year. It doesn't mean Lance is good, so much as it means the team was that bad when it comes to playmaking (see the Heat series). That's what phrases like "by default" and "for the little it's worth" suggest. Not great, not good, not the best in the world.

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              • #37
                Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

                If we had coaches that were any good they would teach Tyler how to max out his skills. The fact that he still plays his college game and regressed says something about how we prepare players. Tyler needs some intensive coaching then we can see if he can adjust his game. Perhaps it won't help but we can't give up on him just yet.

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                • #38
                  Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

                  I've always been a fan of Hansbrough. I think a lot of teams need a guy with his type of energy. I think last year he played a little to quickly and out of control though. He didn't get foul calls that he usually gets, and due to rushing, his mid range shot was not as consistent. I stillmthink he can be a good player. Just has to play his game, work on a few moves, and his left hand. Plus the team has to put him in good positions to be successful, and not just pick and roll. Post him up whennhe has mismatches, etc..

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                  • #39
                    Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

                    I think he just played out of his comfort zone. You see him pass more, take more outside shots, and does not get plays inside. Plus getting hacked so hard without much of foul calls he's getting.

                    It's more of a design by the coaching staff to have him play that way apparently. Probably they're worried about his condition of getting physically harmed when he played the way he was laying 2 seasons ago. Too much pick and pop while most of his points before came from being a chaotic bruiser inside the paint. And I think because lots of people complain about him being a black hole so he's passing more and being less aggressive offensively.

                    And to be fair to him, as a bench player he's I think the second best in the team in terms of FTAs and have a very solid FT% (correct me if I'm wrong). In that respect he's still a valuable guy. I still give him chance to improve given that most of his offseason have been unfortunate so far (shin injury, vertigo, lockout).

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                    • #40
                      Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

                      Good lord, enough talk about Tyler's "motor" and "energy". Seriously? Like guys who try hard are rare in the NBA?

                      You don't get to the NBA, for the most part, unless you "try hard". Great, Tyler tries hard. That attribute, on its own, may get you by at the college level, but the next level demands effort AND skill.

                      Oh, and I love how his lack of production is due to coaching. Okay.

                      I think we've seen Tyler's level of skill, and it doesn't translate to the pro game.
                      Last edited by A-Train; 07-07-2012, 01:35 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

                        I still think Tyler's ok, but have been surprised by just how un-athletic he looks when jumping. It's amazing to me how often he gets blocked or the ball gets stripped while he's going up. I always think he's been fouled, then I see the replay and it is most often clean.

                        He also seems kind of short.
                        Danger Zone

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                        • #42
                          Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

                          Originally posted by A-Train View Post
                          Good lord, enough talk about Tyler's "motor" and "energy". Seriously? Like guys who try hard are rare in the NBA?

                          You don't get to the NBA, for the most part, unless you "try hard". Great, Tyler tries hard. That attribute, on its own, may get you by at the college level, but the next level demands effort AND skill.

                          Oh, and I love how his lack of production is due to coaching. Okay.

                          I think we've seen Tyler's level of skill, and it doesn't translate to the pro game.
                          yep Tyler has no NBA skills, shouldn't even have been drafted, never showed anything at this level that anyone would interpret as ability, and has fooled everyone who thinks he could have been a pro. i get it. Get rid of this imposter as soon as possible.

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                          • #43
                            Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

                            Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
                            yep Tyler has no NBA skills, shouldn't even have been drafted, never showed anything at this level that anyone would interpret as ability, and has fooled everyone who thinks he could have been a pro. i get it. Get rid of this imposter as soon as possible.
                            He won't be the first bust at the pro level. No shame in that.

                            Oh, and he shouldn't have been drafted as high as he was, just like Plumlee shouldn't have been drafted as high as he was.
                            Last edited by A-Train; 07-07-2012, 02:30 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

                              Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                              Where are all the Tyler defenders? I was never one of them but it seems they have all disappeared from this forum.
                              I have seen him do some very good things and some not very good things. I think playing on this second unit was difficult for him. I think he will rebound from last year and be better this year with a little better second unit. He has no trade value so we might as well see if he can improve a bit........

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                              • #45
                                Re: This Talk About Shipping Hansbrough.....

                                Here's the thing to think about with Tyler.... When push comes to shove in the ECF, or the Finals, can he step up and contribute?

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