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  • If the FO signs Roy to the max I will be extremely angry and may no longer support the team.

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  • If the FO signs Roy to the max I will be extremely angry but will still support the team.

    7 4.61%
  • If the FO signs Roy to the max I will disagree but understand the reasoning.

    36 23.68%
  • I don't care what the FO does and/or trust them to do what is best

    11 7.24%
  • If the FO DOESN'T sign Roy to the max I will disagree but understand the reasoning.

    32 21.05%
  • If the FO DOESN'T sign Roy to the max I will be extremely angry but will still support the team.

    57 37.50%
  • If the FO DOESN'T sign Roy to the max I will be extremely angry and may no longer support the team.

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    This is a poll to help me confirm or deny that the FO is in a lose/lose proposition when it comes to this situation.

    From reading the forum it seems there are just as many people who will go off on the FO if we sign Roy as there are those who will go off on the FO if we don't sign.

    Poll will be to see if that perception is correct.

    If so, I hope people can refer back to this whenever some faction argues that a course of action is a "no-brainer" when there is another faction arguing that the OPPOSITE course is a "no-brainer".

    It's been a while since I did a poll, so bear with me...
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    I don't think he is worth the max but in the NBA you are worth what the highest bidder pays. I will be upset if we don't resign him. If we do, I'll grudgingly smile.
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    Player A
    13.1 PPG, 7.7 reb, 2.1 AST, 1.6 BLK
    Player B
    12.8 PPG, 8.8 reb, 1.9 AST, 2.0 BLK



    So who would you rather sign?

    Player A with around 5 million a year or Player B with a max offer?

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    If he leaves it will be another blow to my long-term interest in the team, but it won't be the final straw that breaks my back. Just ONE OF the straws.

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    Player A
    13.1 PPG, 7.7 reb, 2.1 AST, 1.6 BLK
    Player B
    12.8 PPG, 8.8 reb, 1.9 AST, 2.0 BLK



    So who would you rather sign?

    Player A with around 5 million a year or Player B with a max offer?
    B because I know it's Roy.

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    Player A
    13.1 PPG, 7.7 reb, 2.1 AST, 1.6 BLK
    Player B
    12.8 PPG, 8.8 reb, 1.9 AST, 2.0 BLK



    So who would you rather sign?

    Player A with around 5 million a year or Player B with a max offer?
    I'll take the guy that raised his averages to 12/11/3 in the playoffs, including a series against the eventual NBA champs.

    you also forgot to mention that player B shoots %5 better from the floor than player A, and player A has only had one healthy season in the last 5 years...
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    I don't know if I could support a team that clearly doesn't care about winning at all.

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    Default Re: If the Pacers Sign/Don't Sign Roy To the Max, I'll...

    Who is this wonderful player A that we 'foolishly' are not signing or trading for?

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    Who is this wonderful player A that we 'foolishly' are not signing or trading for?
    Chris Kaman's empty stat sheet on a made up contract.

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    Chris Kaman's empty stat sheet on a made up contract.
    Ah. Nice.

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    Default Re: If the Pacers Sign/Don't Sign Roy To the Max, I'll...

    I will self-immolate in front of CFH? Meh, what can you do if we don't match. My interest in the team will decline for sure. I mean, I understand Indiana is not a top-flight free agent destination, but if we can't attract players OR even retain our own talent, I might as well stop wasting my time.

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    I'll take the guy that raised his averages to 12/11/3 in the playoffs, including a series against the eventual NBA champs.

    you also forgot to mention that player B shoots %5 better from the floor than player A, and player A has only had one healthy season in the last 5 years...
    You aren't winning a championship with Roy Hibbert labeled as your max/best player.

    Sorry buddy.

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    You aren't winning a championship with Roy Hibbert labeled as your max/best player.

    Sorry buddy.
    Good to hear. The NBA finals taught me that every NBA team was only allowed one max player.

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    You aren't winning a championship with Roy Hibbert labeled as your max/best player.

    Sorry buddy.
    I don't think Kstat cares one way or another if the Pacers win the title!

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    Good to hear. The NBA finals taught me that every NBA team was only allowed one max player.
    So you believe Hibbert deserves a max contract?

    To be honest, if it was around Gortat's salary, that would be great value for this team.

    Max is vastly overpaid. Around 10 would be good for this team to have a much better chance to compete in the future and give us more flexibility.

    Gortats contract:
    2011-12: $6,790,640.
    2012-13: $7,258,960.
    2013-14: $7,727,280.
    2014-15: UFA

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    Default Re: If the Pacers Sign/Don't Sign Roy To the Max, I'll...

    As I've said elsewhere, this is a no-brainer. Match or lose your asset.

    My preference is to keep Hibbert, but depending on the situation, I may be able to understand if the FO decides to trade him (either in an S&T or later on down the road). But match the dang contract first!

    So I guess my response kind of doesn't fit in with your poll, but it seems to me to be the most rational way of looking at it.

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    So you believe Hibbert deserves a max contract?

    To be honest, if it was around Gortat's salary, that would be great value for this team.

    Max is vastly overpaid. Around 10 would be good for this team to have a much better chance to compete in the future and give us more flexibility.

    Gortats contract:
    2011-12: $6,790,640.
    2012-13: $7,258,960.
    2013-14: $7,727,280.
    2014-15: UFA
    Two things

    Marcin Gortat should fire his agent, and for the Suns he's probably untouchable. They are getting way too much bang for their buck to even consider trading Gortat. Of course I would love Gortat at that price, but the Suns would be so stupid to let him go.

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    reserve judgement until I see

    A)how the team fares and how well Hibbert will play after signing him

    B)how the team fares, what we do with cap space, how well Hibbert plays for another team

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    Default Re: If the Pacers Sign/Don't Sign Roy To the Max, I'll...

    EDIT: I don't feel like any of the poll options match my feelings close enough.

    I'll be incredibly upset if Roy doesn't remain a Pacer AND we do nothing else to recoup the loss.

    I like Roy as much as anyone, and I truly want to keep him here and watch him improve and be a HUGE part of this team's success for the foreseeable future. BUT, he's also not the only guy in the league that could help us. If letting him walk allows us to sign Deron Williams and we can swing a deal for Eric Gordon, call me satisfied.

    I know a lot of people have been upset with things that players or office people have done, and if losing Roy means you'll no longer be a fan, then I wish you all the best with whatever team you choose to follow. But, to me, no player's actions, trade, free agency loss or gain will EVER trump the team's importance to me. Compare it to the Colts cutting Peyton Manning, one of the NFL's greatest all-time players. Sure, it sucks, I was surprised, and truckloads of people have all jumped bandwagons to Denver - but, I am personally more committed to the Colts heading into this season than the last few seasons because it's offensive to me that people will put a single player above the team. And we're talking about Peyton Manning.

    Roy is great, he's a top-tier Center in the NBA right now, and I think he'll continue to improve. He's a great guy, awesome for PR, very engaging with the fans and he even follows me on Twitter. But losing him won't mean I'll jump ship on the Pacers. They're my team. Always will be. Heck, if we hung around for Tinsley and SJax, I think we can make it through anything.

    So to answer the question, If the Pacers don't sign Roy to the Max (and he consequently leaves), I will still be a Pacers fan and will be upset for a time, but hopeful for other signings and players and the future of the franchise. If the Pacers DO sign Roy to the Max, I'll be happy that we get to keep one of my favorite Pacers since Reggie and hopeful for other signings and players and the future of the franchise.
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    Gortat was a minimally used backup for the Magic when he signed that contract, which was regarded as overpaying at the time. He would have been paid alot more if he had been an all star and starting center. It's hard to find bench guys and have them end up quality starting centers and quite a gamble.

    We also have to look at Hibbert's growth since he arrived. He has gotten significantly better each year. I feel like last year was where he really started to dominate. I think he will keep following that trend and be even better next year. I mean really, has there ever been anyone in the NBA who has gone from where Roy was in college to where he is now? When people say upside Roy's career is a great example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Future View Post
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    So you believe Hibbert deserves a max contract?

    To be honest, if it was around Gortat's salary, that would be great value for this team.

    Max is vastly overpaid. Around 10 would be good for this team to have a much better chance to compete in the future and give us more flexibility.

    Gortats contract:
    2011-12: $6,790,640.
    2012-13: $7,258,960.
    2013-14: $7,727,280.
    2014-15: UFA
    Gortat was given that contract as a backup. He is vastly underpaid. On the open market now, he'd be making $10-11 million easily.

    I believe all star centers in their prime are worth $14 million. Thats still well below what the top players in the NBA make.

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    If we don't re-sign Hibbert, I can't watch this team. Hibbert is our most important player, and we can't ever beat Miami without him.

    There is a small window of opportunity with him, and that is why he is worth it.

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    I think it's time for Hibbert to go. We have a hall-of-fame center in the making in Plumlee, and as long as Roy is here he will hinder his development.

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    If the Pacers do or do not re-sign Hibbert, I will understand and I will still follow them with the same passion.

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    I want us to match. If we don't, I'll be disappointed.

    However, I'll still support the Pacers. Nothing will make me change the team I support. I may stop heavily following the NBA (I'll be working in the next semester so I might need some night sleep) but I'll always be a Pacers supporter

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