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  • #46
    Re: Is Conrad right?

    Yes they can afford Hibbert without question, even if Batum was to be retained.

    Centers - Okur, Thabeet, Oden are all gone.
    PF - JJ Hickson was not extended his QO, so he is gone.
    SF - Nic Batum is prolly going to the Wolves, he, like Gordon, has made it clear that he doesn't want to return to Portland and he wants to play for the Wolves.
    SG - Jamal Crawford is walking, he opted out.
    PG - Raymond Felton is gone, he may end up in NY, but he wont be back to the Blaze. Jonny Flynn was not extended his QO, so he is gone.

    Blazers have
    PG - Lillard - rookie scale
    G - Nolan Smith 1.3mil., Elliot Williams 1.4mil.
    SG - Mathews 6.5mil., Will Barton rookie scale
    SF - Luke Babbit 1.9mil.
    PF - LA - 14mil., Shawne Williams opted in for 3.1mil., It is possible Blazers might do a buy out on Williams.
    C - Kurt Thomas 1.3mil., Meyers Leonard rookie scale

    Blazers are under 30mil not including Rookie Contracts.
    Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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    • #47
      Re: Is Conrad right?

      Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA
      “@SMosley21: gut reaction, do you think Indy matches?” (No)

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      • #48
        Re: Is Conrad right?

        Originally posted by Peck View Post
        Sure if your ok with a record hovering around .500%

        Roy wasn't just a tall figure out there, he was the anchor of our entire defense. David West could barely defend his own man let alone any help side defense and any defender that is going to be as good as Roy or better than Roy is going to cost almost as much as Roy.

        I've been holding out because I kept telling myself we had till the 14th to make a move here (matching in this case) and that we are just working all angles before making the comittment.

        But it now seems like they are setting us up to let us know they are going to let him walk. We still have time so until it either happens or they come out and say it's going to happen I won't panic, but I'm telling you if they let Roy walk and we can bring in no other significant players this off season I am going to be mightily p!ssed.
        Yes, but the theory (fact IMO) is that it doesn't matter where the production comes from, as long as you get what you need.

        So let's look at what Roy brings, size and all:
        1) Post scoring - medium, not great, unstoppable or consistent at this point, and posting West works much better most of the time

        2) Rebounding - for his size, not great, but since he is so tall he does get you 8-10. So if you can get 8-10 and some blocking out to help other players get their boards you will be okay

        3) Post defense - pretty good, guys can put moves on him a little but his length does give some people problems. OTOH he isn't a shut down defender at his position at all, so he's not a Dwight killer or something (like Pollard vs Shaq).

        4) Shot blocking/rim defense - outstanding, intimidates tons of lane drives and covers up mistakes.


        So if you traded me 98 Dale for 12 Roy and kept West on the team, your starting bigs are great and can deal with everything Roy/West can deal with, and maybe more. Dale was NOT a Max player.

        Thus going for a non-max, defensive/rebounding specialist who is really strong in those roles (not just "nice" as a bench guy like Lou) could keep the team moving forward just fine. The key is you need a player that is a good starting PF who would be a Max guy IF he was strong on offense, but isn't. Does that guy exist and is he available? Maybe not, so maybe the premium on Roy is scarcity even into the 6'10" PF range, along with the dreaded "potential".



        Does anyone really see Roy/West killing an Antonio/Dale front court? In fact both PFs ended up playing center elsewhere, and ditto for PF Jeff Foster. You just need to have a shot blocker and PHYSICAL rebounder that clears space to get boards or athletically challenges tons of rebounds in traffic and vertically (ie, not Tyler).

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        • #49
          Re: Is Conrad right?

          Originally posted by yoadknux View Post
          I would S&T Hibbert along with Collison for Horford and also try to sign Kaman.
          This way you can start with West/Horford and bring Kaman as 6th man, and when West expires start Horford and Kaman.

          That is interesting

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          • #50
            Re: Is Conrad right?

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            That is interesting
            I agree! Getting Horford for Hibbert and DC would an amazing turn of play.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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            • #51
              Re: Is Conrad right?

              speaking of Conrad, anyone know why he isn't with the Pacers anymore?
              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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              • #52
                Re: Is Conrad right?

                Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                Hicks its really a tough call man. I hate to loose big Roy for many reasons but it does call into question Roy's ability to improve greatly or if he will always be a 12 and 8 guy , who disappears at times. Would we be better with a Tyson Chandler/ Jordan Hill type undersized but good defender and rebounder? Or do we need that legit 7 footer. I knew this was bound to happen that Roy would get a max. I think we should match the offer because , providing Roy dosnt stop working, we should always be able to trade Roy if necessary

                The one thing that scares me is I see us going from a period of time where we consistently werent good enough to make the playoffs, yet too good to make the lotery. Now we are in a situatioon where we seem to be good enough to be that 2-4 seed yet not good enough to challenge the Miami's /Bulls

                I think more than anything we need that go to stud. Not sure how we get them but enough with the signing of good but not great players like G Hill for 40M
                But no names immediately come to mind, and once we come up with a list, which of them is available and worth spending on in FA or in a trade?
                When Roy tweeted that GH had earned every penny of his contract it bothered me. The franchise makes a value judgement, however to truly earn your contract you need to perform at a certain level, otherwise you are just swindling a a team and fan base out of cap space. I have been a big fan of Roy, but if he thinks his current production is worth 15 million a year its a cause for concern. Portland is gambling on him. I hope Roy doesn't loose some of his motivation and work ethic after he gets paid. He just seems to be pretty arrogant. I still remember td to sign augraphs franchise 55

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                • #53
                  Re: Is Conrad right?

                  Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                  When Roy tweeted that GH had earned every penny of his contract it bothered me. The franchise makes a value judgement, however to truly earn your contract you need to perform at a certain level, otherwise you are just swindling a a team and fan base out of cap space. I have been a big fan of Roy, but if he thinks his current production is worth 15 million a year its a cause for concern. Portland is gambling on him. I hope Roy doesn't loose some of his motivation and work ethic after he gets paid. He just seems to be pretty arrogant. I still remember td to sign augraphs franchise 55
                  I don't think "arrogant" is a word I would ever use to define Roy. Timid is a much better descriptor.
                  Its really bothers me how far the pendulum has swung on Roy being loved to being apparently a selfish person.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Is Conrad right?

                    If they want to see 11,4500 average attendance again, they will let Roy go to Portland. THe community was just beginning to fall in love with this team. They will quickly fall out of love if they perceive a lack of willingness on the part of TPTB.



                    (maybe this WAS the wrong time to bring DW back)
                    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Is Conrad right?

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      In the way that JO was a 'center' or Garnett is now a 'center', yes. The point is somebody who is not blatantly nothing but a center (Kaman, Roy, Oden, Dwight, Chandler, Gortat).
                      Yeah so a Center with versatility, same thing, and those guys typically get paid pretty well due to that factor.

                      I really at this point am tired of wondering if the Pacers will match or not, there are signs that show it is still on the table, and there are signs that show they might be going other ways, we will know soon, and personally I am so ready for that date to come, I am sure most people did not want to see our offseason like this, We thought we would be adding pieces to help up try and make a further post season run, now we are just scrambling to see how we can salvage the situation that presents it's self to us.
                      Why so SERIOUS

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                      • #56
                        Re: Is Conrad right?

                        Originally posted by Mac_Daddy View Post
                        I don't think "arrogant" is a word I would ever use to define Roy. Timid is a much better descriptor.
                        Its really bothers me how far the pendulum has swung on Roy being loved to being apparently a selfish person.
                        Roy does have a chip on his shoulder. I remember hearing him say multiple times last year how he was the best passing big man in the NBA in TV interviews. Unsolicited as well. He clearly isn't but he seems to think he is!

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                        • #57
                          Re: Is Conrad right?

                          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                          speaking of Conrad, anyone know why he isn't with the Pacers anymore?
                          His twitter account still lists him working for us...
                          "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                          • #58
                            Re: Is Conrad right?

                            If one of your PFs can guard Dwight effectively, then he is a center. Ben Wallace could guard Shaq (adequately) and JO and KG and Duncan.
                            Perkins can guard Dwight. But he can't guard Blake that well.

                            Good luck finding a PF who can guard Dwight and Blake.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Is Conrad right?

                              Originally posted by tadscout View Post
                              His twitter account still lists him working for us...
                              Hicks has been told by someone at PS&E that he no longer works there... it doesn't appear he has written any articles at all so far this offseason (even Larry's resignation story was written by someone else), and now he's writing for Fox Sports Midwest (which I don't remember him doing before)?

                              Sounds like he's gone? Knowing PS&E it's possible they are waiting to get their successor in place before announcing the transition...

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                              • #60
                                Re: Is Conrad right?

                                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                                Yes, but the theory (fact IMO) is that it doesn't matter where the production comes from, as long as you get what you need.

                                So let's look at what Roy brings, size and all:
                                1) Post scoring - medium, not great, unstoppable or consistent at this point, and posting West works much better most of the time

                                2) Rebounding - for his size, not great, but since he is so tall he does get you 8-10. So if you can get 8-10 and some blocking out to help other players get their boards you will be okay

                                3) Post defense - pretty good, guys can put moves on him a little but his length does give some people problems. OTOH he isn't a shut down defender at his position at all, so he's not a Dwight killer or something (like Pollard vs Shaq).

                                4) Shot blocking/rim defense - outstanding, intimidates tons of lane drives and covers up mistakes.


                                So if you traded me 98 Dale for 12 Roy and kept West on the team, your starting bigs are great and can deal with everything Roy/West can deal with, and maybe more. Dale was NOT a Max player.

                                Thus going for a non-max, defensive/rebounding specialist who is really strong in those roles (not just "nice" as a bench guy like Lou) could keep the team moving forward just fine. The key is you need a player that is a good starting PF who would be a Max guy IF he was strong on offense, but isn't. Does that guy exist and is he available? Maybe not, so maybe the premium on Roy is scarcity even into the 6'10" PF range, along with the dreaded "potential".



                                Does anyone really see Roy/West killing an Antonio/Dale front court? In fact both PFs ended up playing center elsewhere, and ditto for PF Jeff Foster. You just need to have a shot blocker and PHYSICAL rebounder that clears space to get boards or athletically challenges tons of rebounds in traffic and vertically (ie, not Tyler).
                                Varejao could be perfect and he only makes 10mil.
                                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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