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    Default Who's worth more - Hibbert or JaVale McGee?

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    If the Pacers decide not to match Portland's offer, the Pacers will pursue New Orleans free-agent center Chris Kaman and Denver's JaVale McGee, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.

    I'd be fine with that. I know JaVale has basketball IQ issues but after his trade to Denver, where he received good coaching and played with mature players for the first time in his career, he produced very well.


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    Regardless of whether or not the Pacers match or if they make an offer to JaVale whether Denver would match, who has the greater upside/potential? I doubt he'll ever be a 20 ppg scorer but I doubt Hibbert will be either. I really think that JaVale could develop into a Tyson Chandler type of Center. What's Hibbert's ceiling? How close is he to it now?

    I really don't have any idea.

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    ...is this a joke? McGee isnt even an effective starter. His time in both Washington and Denver proved that.

    Kaman is a proven starter, but like McGee he is a plus player on only one side of the floor. His age and health are also a concern.

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    ...is this a joke? McGee isnt even an effective starter. His time in both Washington and Denver proved that.

    Kaman is a proven starter, but like McGee he is a plus player on only one side of the floor. His age and health are also a concern.
    I prefer Hibbert over both McGee and Kaman, but people need to stop pretending he is a great defender. He blocks a couple shots per game because he is the tallest guy on the court, but he is slow to rotate, does not hold position very well, and falls down every time a guard gets near him. He's basically Shawn Bradley minus 4 inches.

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    and falls down every time a guard gets near him.
    ...I made myself sad after seeing that Westbrook block.

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    Does he even have 1 game of better than 50% shooting?
    He has shot 50% or better in 5 games.

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    I know you didn't ask me, but I will take a shot at this anyway. I was skeptical about signing Roy to his current contract in the first place, but felt that so long as he continued to improve he would have a chance of living up to his contract. As far as improvements go, first I think a face up game is absolutely mandatory for Roy to develop. He's not strong enough to hold post position for long, so he really needs the ability to keep defenses honest from a little farther out. It would be nice if he could develop a few more post moves as well. He has become so predictable in the post that defenders just push him off his spot and watch him throw up a wildly inaccurate baby hook.
    Roy has developed a little bit of a face up game. Not much of one, but he is hitting the 15 footer with some consistency when open.

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    He has shot 50% or better in 5 games.
    Thanks, E.

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    Forget the stats, have you ever seen McGee play? Might be the dumbest "basketball player" I've ever seen.

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    I'd be fine with that. I know JaVale has basketball IQ issues but after his trade to Denver, where he received good coaching and played with mature players for the first time in his career, he produced very well.


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    Regardless of whether or not the Pacers match or if they make an offer to JaVale whether Denver would match, who has the greater upside/potential? I doubt he'll ever be a 20 ppg scorer but I doubt Hibbert will be either. I really think that JaVale could develop into a Tyson Chandler type of Center. What's Hibbert's ceiling? How close is he to it now?

    I really don't have any idea.
    You must be kidding. Hibbert is at another level from JaVale..........

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    I'd take Kaman at a cheaper rate so that we can have $$$ left over to go after other Players.
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    Hibbert, easily.

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    Wasn't JaVale the player who said previous to being traded to Denver he wanted a new contract at 14 mil? If so, I highly doubt he's changed his mind. You can bet your sweet bippie Denver isn't going to give JaVale a 14 mil contract. If he could be gotten for 8-9 mil, you'd have to consider him if the Pacers choose not to re-sign Hibbert. Take the 5-6 mil and use it towards picking up another FA.

    Since people are throwing out controversial names, you can probably pick up Blatche from the Wiz at 8 mil. He can play both the 4 & 5.

    I want Hibbert back, but not at some ridiculous salary. There are other options out there, just not Hibbertesque. The front office might decide not to match and just get a plug the dam type player for this year to see how things sake out.

    Another name to consifer is Robin Lopez who is a RFA... offer him 6-7 mil. Maybe he bites and the Suns don't match since they have Gortat. Please no Herb won't go after RFA spiel. I believe it's been determined he'd be willing, just won't get in a bidding war for a RFA like Gordon.

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    Would you rather...

    Sign McGee and lose Hibbert or have every thread on here be about Hibbert and/or Gordon for the whole season?

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    Would you rather...

    Sign McGee and lose Hibbert or have every thread on here be about Hibbert and/or Gordon for the whole season?
    Either way, we'll have half the threads on here be about Gordon for the whole season. We could somehow sign him without losing PG and half the threads here will STILL be about Gordon, 100% after the inevitable injury causes missed time.
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    I'm intrigued by player A but I still like player B better, player C wouldn't be a bad choice either, now if we can somehow have players A+B+C together I'm listening but we would probably have to trade player Z, player A is a nice player though but I'm not 100% sure about him.




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    Hibbert.

    And Just say NO to Kaman! (at least until Hibbert is locked in as a Pacer)
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    If we lose Hibbert and JaVale is open to a contract under 10 million per, I'd guess I'd consider it. Would probably have to move to a more perimeter-oriented style though.

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    If we lose Hibbert and JaVale is open to a contract under 10 million per, I'd guess I'd consider it. Would probably have to move to a more perimeter-oriented style though.
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    I'll admit, I chose a gotcha styled titled to get you to look at this thread. I know Hibbert is the better player now but will he be in 2-3 years. I still see potential in JaVale. He's working with Hakeem this summer and can still develop his offensive game. He's only 23 years old.

    He had a 21 points and 14 rebounds game against the Lakers during the playoffs. He had another 14 rebound game and a 15 rebound game in that 7 game series. In fact, I think he played a big role in extending the series to 7 games against the Lakers.

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    He had a 21 points and 14 rebounds game against the Lakers during the playoffs. He had another 14 rebound game and a 15 rebound game in that 7 game series. In fact, I think he played a big role in extending the series to 7 games against the Lakers.
    Yep. He's much better than people are giving him credit for.

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    If we wanna get technical, Javale scored more points per-minute than Roy, did it more efficiently (TS%: .539 vs. 552; eFG%: .497 vs. .556), pulled down more rebounds per-minute, and blocked more shots per-minute. He also had a terrific postseason showing again the Lakers.

    It's become trendy to belittle McGee, thus, most people do it, but no one in their right mind can deny that he's a very productive basketball player. Although he can't admit it, lest his hypocrisy be exposed, McGee provides exactly the type of production that Kstat is dreaming of Andre Drummond giving Detroit in the future -- efficient scoring, big time rebounding, and a bunch of blocked shots.

    I'd happily take him at $10M per-season. I'm sure Denver would match that, though.

    By the way, Denver had a superior winning percentage with McGee than with Nene.

    Denver, w/ Nene: 16-12 (.571)
    Denver, w/ McGee: 13-7 (.650)

    Although, to be fair, Washington had a far superior record with Nene. It looks like a win/win trade, although give me the 24-year-old over the 29-year-old going forward.

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    Yep. He's much better than people are giving him credit for.

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    If we wanna get technical, Javale scored more points per-minute than Roy, did it more efficiently (TS%: .539 vs. 552; eFG%: .497 vs. .556), pulled down more rebounds per-minute, and blocked more shots per-minute. He also had a terrific postseason showing again the Lakers.

    It's become trendy to belittle McGee, thus, most people do it, but no one in their right mind can deny that he's a very productive basketball player. Although he can't admit it, lest his hypocrisy be exposed, McGee provides exactly the type of production that Kstat is dreaming of Andre Drummond giving Detroit in the future -- efficient scoring, big time rebounding, and a bunch of blocked shots.

    I'd happily take him at $10M per-season. I'm sure Denver would match that, though.

    By the way, Denver had a superior winning percentage with McGee than with Nene.

    Denver, w/ Nene: 16-12 (.571)
    Denver, w/ McGee: 13-7 (.650)

    Although, to be fair, Washington had a far superior record with Nene. It looks like a win/win trade, although give me the 24-year-old over the 29-year-old going forward.
    Exactly. It's trendy.

    The new thing is laughing at how dumb McGee supposedly is. He's very talented however, although he is ADHD like on the court sometimes. But most of the time he's rebounding well, playing good defense and scoring efficiently. (great cuts to the basket and put backs)

    I'd love to have JaVale. But then again I don't base my opinons on players off of ******** narratives created by ESPN.
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    Javale isn't quite as bad as people think, obviously he has some BBIQ issues and is very raw, but he has a lot of potential. Wouldn't be a terrible addition for the right price.

    That said, he is no where near Hibbert.

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    Javale isn't quite as bad as people think, obviously he has some BBIQ issues and is very raw, but he has a lot of potential. Wouldn't be a terrible addition for the right price.

    That said, he is no where near Hibbert.
    His BB IQ issues put a cap on his potential. How much can you really get better when you don't understand the game on some fundamental levels (and if you don't by now...)?

    I don't want him. Would rather have Kaman if it comes to that.
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    Oh my God if we sign McGee and let Hibbert walk I will throw a huge fit.

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    How bout Resign Roy.
    Sign Javale.
    Trade DWest, DC and 2 future draft picks for Rondo.
    Then we can go kick some serious A S S!

    Hibbert / Plumlee
    McGee / Hans
    Granger / George
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    Hmm...who was an All-Star this past season? Definitely not JaVale...

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