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    Default Are the Pacers the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 if Hibbert comes back?

    I'm not going to claim credit for this "analogy" as someone else came up with it in the big Hibbert thread. I don't disagree that the Pacers will face a backlash if Hibbert is not retained. My personal opinion is that he's not worth anywhere near a max contract, but they're kind of screwed either way and I think they have no choice but to keep him. I don't think Simon/Walsh/Pritchard will have the balls not to match the offer sheet if it's signed.

    Back to the question though....is a nucleus of Hill-George-Granger-West-Hibbert going to get us any further than the second round anytime in the next 4-5 years?
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    No contract will be as much as Johnson's, Granger is a better SF than the Hawks have had over the past decade, George's potential is what the team will be banking on as well as coaching.

    This is what happens when you never get a pick higher than 10.

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    Default Re: Are the Pacers the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 if Hibbert comes back?

    I was thinking about starting a thread comparing us to the Pittsburgh Pirates. I think may be like them. What do you guys think?

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    Default Re: Are the Pacers the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 if Hibbert comes back?

    Just depends on how the guys on our team develop.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    Default Re: Are the Pacers the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 if Hibbert comes back?

    We have a less selfish system, are a very big and athletic team, and our players (mostly, but at least our bigs) play in their "correct" position. Horford starts at center but is a PF, Smith is really a SF playing as a PF, Johnson has some very SF tendencies. I think that, combined with injuries cost them. Because of our size and defensive capabilities, I think we can be better than the Hawks were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurduePacer View Post
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    I was thinking about starting a thread comparing us to the Pittsburgh Pirates. I think may be like them. What do you guys think?

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    Nope, Baseball is so different, but I see what you are getting at, as a Pirates fan it is hard to characterize because they were in a slump much worst than us, and they still have not made it to the postseason.
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    Default Re: Are the Pacers the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 if Hibbert comes back?

    We don't have a superstar, so the answer is automatically yes, or so I get told.

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    Thats kind of what i thought when our FO said they want to bring Hill and Hibbert first. We need to bring in some more talent to keep improving.

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    We're the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 with or without Hibbert. This franchise has proven time and again they are unwilling to take the risks necessary to put them over the top.

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    Default Re: Are the Pacers the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 if Hibbert comes back?

    I mean we're right about where the Hawks were for those few years, #3-5 seed, very good but not elite basketball team. I can only hope we take the necessary steps to try to continue to push this thing forward. Right now, it looks iffy.

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    I mean we're right about where the Hawks were for those few years, #3-5 seed, very good but not elite basketball team. I can only hope we take the necessary steps to try to continue to push this thing forward. Right now, it looks iffy.
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    We're the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 with or without Hibbert. This franchise has proven time and again they are unwilling to take the risks necessary to put them over the top.
    What kind of risk are you talking about? Trading our main guys? Spending out to get a superstar? Tanking?

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    I disagree with us being Hawks 2.0.

    Sure we may never get past the second round, but we don't have a team of headcases, the most overpaid player in the league, or an iso dependent team. Also with KP as our new gm and his aggressiveness, I don't think we will be stagnant around the league like the Hawks have been.

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    Default Re: Are the Pacers the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 if Hibbert comes back?

    I don't think we are as good as Altlanta was.

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    I disagree with us being Hawks 2.0.

    Sure we may never get past the second round, but we don't have a team of headcases, the most overpaid player in the league, or an iso dependent team. Also with KP as our new gm and his aggressiveness, I don't think we will be stagnant around the league like the Hawks have been.
    Not talking about team makeup, but just the prospect of continually placing 3rd best, always showing promise, but never having enough to get over the hump...
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    Default Re: Are the Pacers the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 if Hibbert comes back?

    Hawks dont/didn't have many other options besides Johnson/Horford/Smith . We have Granger/West/Hibbert/ but with great up and coming player Paul George. Hill and DC are better than the Hawks point guards.

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    Thats kind of what i thought when our FO said they want to bring Hill and Hibbert first. We need to bring in some more talent to keep improving.
    We did: Miles Plumlee.

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    Not talking about team makeup, but just the prospect of continually placing 3rd best, always showing promise, but never having enough to get over the hump...
    I don't know that the Hawks ever really showed promise. And as long as the Heat are the Heat it's a little unfair of a comparison in my opinion.

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    Default Re: Are the Pacers the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 if Hibbert comes back?

    ...or the 90's Pacers v2.0.

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    Well, the Hawks made some risky moves as well. It just didn't pan out the way it should be. And they did more than the current Pacers in terms of improving the roster, starting out with drafting Horford. Then they traded for an aging Bibby. Then banked on Joe Johnson. That team had more high-tier draft picks and more all-star appearances than what the Pacers had.

    In the end, it's just all about the whole roster working good or not. We may get those high draft picks, we may get high-level free agents, we may trade for a superstar while gutting out 2 or more of the team's main assets or we may change the coaching staff and management. But it does not guarantee success.

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    ...or the 90's Pacers v2.0.
    That would be nice. A finals trip plus being the #1 contender in the east until the melt down. I would take another run like that.

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    Well, the Hawks made some risky moves as well. It just didn't pan out the way it should be. And they did more than the current Pacers in terms of improving the roster, starting out with drafting Horford. Then they traded for an aging Bibby. Then banked on Joe Johnson. That team had more high-tier draft picks and more all-star appearances than what the Pacershave had so far had.

    In the end, it's just all about the whole roster working good or not. We may get those high draft picks, we may get high-level free agents, we may trade for a superstar while gutting out 2 or more of the team's main assets or we may change the coaching staff and management. But it does not guarantee success.
    Hibbert and PG may have mare to come down the road they are young. That is why I put that bold in the quote. This team has just started its run. Why are we looking to make excuses for failing before it even happens?

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    Their up and coming young guy was Marvin Williams unfortunately for them

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    To me we'd be like the Atlanta hawks without their athleticism yeah we've got a big team but they all pretty much lumber around except for Paul George. I'm glad we're not handing out Joe Johnson type contracts though. I'm ready to get this Roy thing settled, he needs to be a Pacer going into this next season.

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    Default Re: Are the Pacers the Atlanta Hawks 2.0 if Hibbert comes back?

    The reality is that being a second round team is a REQUIREMENT for being an ECF team.

    Many teams get to the second round and don't get beyond, even with pretty good players.

    This whole "OMG we're going to be stuck in the second round if we don't chance another few years of sucking really badly" gets old.

    We chanced years of sucking badly. LOOK WHAT IT GOT US.

    Let's build up slowly - I'll take a few years on that second round step as opposed to making a move and falling off the whole building. Again.
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