Last edited by rm1369; 07-04-2012 at 12:36 PM. Reason: Better clarify my position and to not appear antagonistic
@AlexKennedyNBA: George Hill's five-year deal with the Indiana Pacers is worth $40 million, according to league source.
8 mil a year damn.
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I think this means that he is our starting point guard next year, you don't pay that kind of money for a backup.
I think I'd rather offer Dragic that contract.
3 scenarios for the draft, starting with my favorite first:
1. Pacers trade up for Justice Winslow
2. Take WCS or Stanley Johnson (this is the theory of a player falling); Make trades (Hibbert/West/others) for additional picks - George Lucas and Rakeem Christmas are players I'd love to have with a late first/early 2nd round
3. Trey Lyles
I'm sure my opinion will change many times before the draft though.
Put me on the list of people who think this is a mistake. Too much, too long.
Barring us surprising the world and signing Steve Nash, I believe you are correct. And unless we sign a really good backup 3 or a starting caliber 2, I think Hill will get full starters minutes and DC will spend about half of his time at the SG spot playing with Hill.
I don't feel it will break the team, but I feel it's ridiculous to overpay Hill not to mention give him a 5 year contract. I've said this all along that Hill isn't the answer at PG, nor will the Pacers win a championship with him at PG. I wouldn't have paid that type of money to Dragic, who I really wanted. As far as I'm concerned, there are too many people in love with Hill, b/c he's a Pacer. I've said it b4 and I'll say it again that if Hill was as great as so many feel then Pop and Buford would have figured out how to come up with the money to re-sign Hill. They let him go and never missed a beat with players like Neal, not drafted, and Green, 46th pick. Not to mention getting a starter in Kawhi Leonard. They had to fall out of their chairs rolling in laughter when they heard the deal the Pacers gave Hill.
I'm not surprised in the least with Hill's "5 year" contract with Walsh in control. What's next give Hibbert a 5 year max contract instead of matching Portland's offer?
This will look much worse if Darren Collison retakes the starting spot during training camp, or when George Hill misses a game to injury and DC arbitrarily becomes the permanent starter.
I would argue that there are very few players who have gone to San Antonio in the Tim Duncan era and not played some of the best basketball of their lives. They have had a stellar coach, system, and superstars in place for 15 years now.
$8M is a lot to pay unless Hill is our future at PG, and even then it's a pretty penny. That's more than the Grizzlies gave Conley. Maybe the market would've dictated that price, but you have to at least see how it plays out (and yes, that's an assumption on the market).
It is more than I would have liked to pay.
However, you have to think that they have a guy still out there in the FA market they really want to bring in. They know that paying Hill 8 mil a year (and perhaps it's possible it's a bit heavier backloaded as a concession to the high price) will still allow them to get their target. It also gets them a quite definite amount to work with without having to worry about losing a guy who they obviously like.
They know they can sign Hibbert + Hill and have X millions to work with.
Or they know they can work with Hibbert's contract + MLE to sign a replacement center and their target.
They are saying Hill will be a major plan with this rendition of the Pacers, and I am okay with that.
1st - 7.0M [6.95]
2nd - 7.5M
3rd - 8M
4th - 8.5M
5th - 9.0M [9.04]
It is my understanding the last year is team option. Is that correct? if so it makes the guarantee less than 8. Even lower if the last 2 yrs are team option.
Anyway, let's wait for more reputable reports. Mike Wells tweeted earlier that he heard different numbers on GH's contract so he wasn't going to speculate. Hard to think that a Hoopsworld writer would scoop him.
****ing Donnie Walsh does it again.
Look I love George Hill and wanted him to start and all but damn 8mil is really high for him, why not try to trade for a guy who I think is similar in Jarret Jack that makes less money and call it a day? I don't understand what's this team doing
Lowry isn't going to be a b/u in Houston. Linsanity isn't coming at the salary Houston offer to be a b/u. Lowry will be traded. He has a 5 mil contract, and he's a better PG than Hill. Houston is intersted in picks and cap. Hmmm, how about offering the 013 20 something pick and 5 mil cap? Throw in Stanko or Stephenson if necessary. No reason to have immediately offered Hill a ridiculous 5 year contract. If Hill doesn't cut it, how many teams are interest in trading for a 5 year contract? It becomes an albatross to try and trade when Hill isn't that good.
I still say we don't know FOR SURE what Hill was paid. (unless i missed the report) We have to look at the overall contract to figure out if he was overpaid. I forgot our exact record when he played as opposed to when he didnt, but there was a significant difference. Guys like Jeremy Lin are getting 8 mil a yr, Dragix lookin for 10 mil a yr. I don't think they're better than G.Hill. They may bring different things to the table, but they're not better. Definitely not significantly better. So if he made between 7.6 and 8 mil a yr, did we really overpay?
All in all let's wait for the exact details of the contract be released first, then dissect it. (and if the numbers have already been reported, I'm sorry--i didn't see it)
Starting at 7 million even and giving routine 7.5% yearly raises, you get to 40 million over 5 years.
Sounds about right. A little rich for the player, but it's the middle ground of what he was offered during the trade deadline (deal starting at 6m/year), and what he asked for (deal starting at 8m/year).
Nothing too surprising. I'm not convinced he's our long term answer at the 1, but I could easily see him as a long term answer as a starting 2.
I seriously think that this re-signing means that Granger's time as a Pacer is coming to a close, whether that's either following his current contract or sooner. Paul George will most certainly move to the 3.
1: ??? / Stephenson
2: Hill / Johnson
3: George / ???
4: ??? / Hansbrough / Pendergraph
5: Hibbert / Plumlee