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    Lame. Hyperbole on crack.

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    Default Re: Bird's Blunder not Re-signing Hibbert during the season?

    There was no reason to give Roy the max during the season. You never know what other teams would actually offer him so you are possibly paying more than you have to. Also wouldn't he take up more cap space immediately rather than the cap hold which would give us less flexibility to sign free agents?

    We wouldn't have saved any money signing Roy during the season because he wouldn't have signed for less than the max.

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    Roy was never ever signing an extension mid-season, unless it was the max. Roy wasn't worth it then, and he's not worth it now, although we have no choice but to match.

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    This AGAIN? Amazing!

    Hibbert and his agent did not "cut off" negotiations. They declined to even start them! The FO said so. Hibbert said so. His agent said so. The links were posted and the quotes discussed at length.

    Yes, sure - had we gotten word to them that we wanted to offer the absolute maximum extension we could give I am sure they would have been instantly open to talking. But why on earth would we do that when that is so much more money than another team can offer him in restricted free agency!? That would have been completely crazy. Much smarter to let the market set Roy's value. Worst case scenario, max offer (but way below the Pacers' own max). Best case scenario, less than the max other teams can offer. With the right of first refusal there is nothing to lose by waiting. Anything could have happened in the second half of the season to make his value go down. So far, the Pacers FO has played it perfectly, imo.

    Now. If they do not end up matching the offer, then I think rm1369 is right - the FO made a mistake by not trying to trade him during the season because him being offered as much money as Portland has put on the table was entirely foreseeable. Not 100% inevitable, but pretty damn likely. So if they don't match, they (Larry, Morway and Pritchard - in that order, I suppose, though we will probably never know if they were all on the same page about this) should take a lot of heat for that. Of course, that hasn't happened yet so as of right now there are NO rational reasons to be upset with how the Pacers handled Roy's contract status last season.

    I know all of this has been said in this thread and said in many other threads. But apparently it still needs to be said. able (I know you are not the only one, but you are the loudest about it and the only one besides the OP active in this thread so far) - I am sorry, but it is ridiculous to keep implying or outright saying that Bird screwed up the extension for Hibbert when there is so much evidence to the contrary and no evidence to support that conclusion. There are multiple legitimate reasons to criticize Bird. This is not one of them.
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    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...38893/34539369

    "There's no rush," Falk said. "I think it’s unlikely that we’ll come to agreement this week. It doesn’t mean in any way that he's not happy in Indiana. ... We've had very friendly discussions, and both sides recognize that the discussion is probably premature."


    http://bloguin.com/crossoverchronicl...wednesday.html

    If I was speculating as to why he wouldn't want to sign that deal, especially if he genuinely does want to stay in Indiana, I would start off by writing a sentence that began with if I was speculating as to why he wouldn't sign this deal. Then I'd make a joke about it that may or may not have been funny, followed by said speculation. Which would be that I gotta think Hibbert, even as a restricted free agent, is going to get an offer - or three - higher than what Indiana is offering him right now.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/scoop-...125436178.html

    "I'm not saying 100 percent we wouldn't do [an extension],
    but I'd say it's likely," his agent, David Falk said, according to the site. "He likes Indiana, it's a great place, it's worked out well. But it's my opinion that generally, these things are hard to do. If I was an owner I wouldn't do one unless I got a discount. … I think more than anything else, the reason guys do extensions, in my opinion, is when you have a client who is insecure that he's going to get paid. … Centers don't grow on trees. If the guy has the confidence to wait, he's probably better off waiting."
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    Default Re: Bird's Blunder not Re-signing Hibbert during the season?

    I am not sure what the point of the articles were. We all know the circumstances. You're just the only one who sees it the way you do.

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/scoop-...125436178.html

    "I'm not saying 100 percent we wouldn't do [an extension],
    but I'd say it's likely," his agent, David Falk said, according to the site. "He likes Indiana, it's a great place, it's worked out well. But it's my opinion that generally, these things are hard to do. If I was an owner I wouldn't do one unless I got a discount. … I think more than anything else, the reason guys do extensions, in my opinion, is when you have a client who is insecure that he's going to get paid. … Centers don't grow on trees. If the guy has the confidence to wait, he's probably better off waiting."
    This third article explains it very nicely why neither side blundered. Hibbert's agent was very frank about it. There's little reason for the team to do it unless they get a discount attached. There's little reason for the player to accept a discount unless he's insecure. So there's no good starting ground to be able to negotiate an extension under those circumstances. The only decent starting ground is if you have a player who is worried about a major injury and so will take the small discount to insure himself, but apparently Hibbert wasn't one of those players.

    I don't think either side has been surprised whatsoever about the way it's worked out. This has always been the most likely conclusion.

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    Hate to see it but IMO he's gone. Just too many signs point to the outcome. Hope I'm wrong cause I really thought he loved Indiana and his teammates but maybe he's just getting mixed up with all the other greedy NBA players and if you show him the money loyalty means nothing. Like I said, hope i'm wrong but we'll see.

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