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    Default Why am I not supposed to like Chris Kaman?

    Player A is a career 11.1-6.4-1.6 center

    Player B is a career 11.9-8.3-1.4 center

    Why is paying Player A the GNP of a small country a smarter decision than paying Player B much, MUCH less?
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    Can with stop with this player A and player B crap, like were pretending to be clever? Just say hibbert and kaman.

    And hibbert is much younger, healthier and a far better defensive player than kaman will ever be. Kaman is roughly %70 of Hibbert. Slightly better in the post, and a lot worse at everything else.
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    Default Re: Why am I not supposed to like Chris Kaman?

    You're not supposed to not like Kaman. Its just you're supposed to like Hibbert more. I actually wouldnt mind if we were able to get Kaman should we not match Roy.


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    Default Re: Why am I not supposed to like Chris Kaman?

    Then again, I'd also like a general Roy Hibbert Free Agency thread, but that probably isn't going to happen.


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    Older, can't stay healthy, no interest here. SHOW ROY THE MONEY!
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    Good grief! It is ridiculous to use just those stats to determine the value of 2 players.

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    Probably because Kaman won't be cheaper. Asik got 8 mil a year with his 3 point and 5 rebound season. Kaman is a former All Star and if I recall correctly was sniffing 20-10 at points in his career when he got the minutes. Salaries being near equal, I would rather have Hibbert.

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    Player A was a center that shot a pathetic 44% from the field with NO last season.

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    Player A was a center that shot a pathetic 44% from the field with NO last season.
    Why is 44% pathetic when you're on a bad team? It would make sense to shoot a lower percentage on a bad team. If you're on a good team, defenders have to worry about other people which should increase your shooting percentage. I guess I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.
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    I don't care how bad a team you're on, that's a bad % for a big man. He's barely at 48% for TS as well, which is just terrible.

    If you've seen Kaman play recently, you'll know why any team signing him should be weary. A little physicality with him in the post and he's basically a jump-shooter by the end of the game.

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    I think it's pretty obvious that Hibbert is the guy we want. Reason being that he's still very young and his work ethic is pretty amazing. He still hasn't reached the age in which most players are in their prime. I really don't think hibbs will ever stop improving with how hard he works in the offseason... while Kaman is who he is and you know what you're getting for the rest of his career.

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    This looks like a thread to let the Kaman trashing begin. He's not Howard but he is as good as Roy if he's healthy. Health, age, and potential to improve make Roy worth more money. If we can't land Nash, I really hope we land Kaman and keep Roy. Don't forget that player B has also spent a lot of time playing at the 4.
    A front court of Hibbert, West, and Kaman playing a 4/5 role would give us a lot of advantages.

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    Why is 44% pathetic when you're on a bad team? It would make sense to shoot a lower percentage on a bad team. If you're on a good team, defenders have to worry about other people which should increase your shooting percentage. I guess I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.
    44% for a Center is real bad.
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    Kaman is not as good as Roy when healthy. This isn't even a logical debate. Basketball is played at two ends of the floor. Kaman plays one and slacks off on the other. I'm sorry, there's no stat to quantify that, but anyone with two eyes can see it.
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    Hibbert is not as good as Roy when healthy.
    That typo made me LOL,

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    I could have been referring to Brandon Roy.....

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    44% for a Center is real bad.
    IF that was his career average I would agree but Hibbert and Kaman pretty much have the same number for TS%. Also consider Hibbert on a new team with no training camp and forced in and out of the lineup with trade speculations.

    IF JOB trashed his confidence then I fully expect if the roles were reversed that HIbbert TS% would also plummet.

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    RT @coreywallace_: What so you think is a better option for the Pacers. Cheap Chris Kaman or an overpaid Hibbert? ---> Both will be pricey.
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    Yuck. Asik can at least defend the paint at an elite level. Anybody willing to pay Kaman more than an average of 8 or 9/yr doesn't deserve an NBA gig.

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    I could have been referring to Brandon Roy.....
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    Well if Kaman is going to be pricey too, we might as well sign Roy.

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    I guess if its 10 for Kaman, you can probably only do two years. I really am starting to just say okay sign Roy, ya its an inflated price, but it just is what it is...

    Side note, heres a unlinked obscure reference. I know about a year or two ago I saw something that said Kaman is just horribly inefficient and his numbers are misleading. Basically saying his number production was tied to volume, not effectiveness. Not a guy who really improves the whole. I have no link and I didn't see this in the small sampling against the Pacers, so who knows.

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    Can with stop with this player A and player B crap, like were pretending to be clever? Just say hibbert and kaman.
    Well, I did it as rhetorical bait and switch to see if anyone wrongly assumed the guy with the inferior stats was Kaman. And somebody did just that.

    For the record, I'm fine with paying Roy. It's going to cost us, and Roy pushing for a max deal is his way of saying I'm fine if the Pacers don't have the long-term solvency to win me a title, but I'm fine with it.
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    No disrespect, but I have seen this player A player B crap in several threads.

    It is petty, and quite silly. Just say the two players names.

    EDIT: Kstat beat me to it, my bad

    As Ramitt said, it is crazy how some arguments are only based on stats. There is a reason why teams and agents negotiate after watching games, and dont just read the box score after every game.

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    For the record, I'm fine with paying Roy. It's going to cost us, and Roy pushing for a max deal is his way of saying I'm fine if the Pacers don't have the long-term solvency to win me a title, but I'm fine with it.
    lol ok. I think it's hilarious how some fans think this. Roy should have foregone millions to maintain the "Pacers' long-term solvency to win him a title" which is, mind you, nowhere near guaranteed. And how many players have ever done this before?

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