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    Free agent center Roy Hibbert is now leaning toward wanting to play with the Portland Trail Blazers next season, a day after the restricted free agent got a verbal commitment from the Blazers that they would tender a four-year, $58 million offer sheet to him, the maximum he can receive under terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, league sources confirmed Sunday.
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    I have to say that hurts. It doesn't help that were talking to others centers (Asik, Kaman). But he rather join Portland ?
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    Until I hear it from his mouth....I'll take this with a grain of salt. My guess is that this is coming from his Agent.
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    Until I hear it from Roy, I'm not going to put much stock in these "sources".

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    Until I see an actual quote from Hibbert on this I will continue to have my doubts.

    This smells like a leak from an agent or some other low life... err low level source.

    edit: what he just said!

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    Until I hear it from his mouth....I'll take this with a grain of salt. My guess is that this is coming from his Agent.
    Aldridge is 100% credible on is sources. Who knows but i have a feeling its true. He also said he was blown away by their presentation.

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    Well who wouldn't be? getting to play with LMA would be pretty fun id imagine

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    Well who wouldn't be? getting to play with LMA would be pretty fun id imagine
    Even if we matched I believe he would rather join Portland is what was meant by what was reportedly said.

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    I don't believe a word of it. Also, if Batum signs an offer sheet with the T-Wolves, as seems likely, then Portland will probably match and this could impact their ability to actually offer Roy a max contract (either that or they run the risk of getting neither Batum nor Hibbert). See below:

    http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingdw...26&feedID=8351

    At any rate, it's not like Roy has a choice if the Pacers match. He'll be a Pacer, whether he likes it or not (and besides these 'sources', is there any indication he doesn't want to stay in Indy?).
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    Whether true or not, Roy is on dangerous ground rep-wise. The perception of him is not great right now.

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    Aldridge is 100% credible on is sources. Who knows but i have a feeling its true. He also said he was blown away by their presentation.
    But the source is most likely his agent...............
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    Even if we matched I believe he would rather join Portland is what was meant by what was reportedly said.
    You are taking agent and/or even Portland FO spin to seriously.
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    I don't believe a word of it. Also, if Batum signs an offer sheet with the T-Wolves, as seems likely, then Portland will probably match and this could impact their ability to actually offer Roy a max contract (either that or they run the risk of getting neither Batum nor Hibbert). See below:

    http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingdw...26&feedID=8351

    At any rate, it's not like Roy has a choice if the Pacers match.

    It seems like they are assuming that the Blazers want to keep JJ Hickson at any costs.
    They could pass on Hickson, and then they have more than enough space for Hibbert and Batum.
    I think if it came to choosing Hickson or Hibbert, it would be an easy choice.

    Also, a lot depends on when they have to match Batum. If they convince Batum to stall it a little, they would be able to give Hibbert the max, sign another player at ~6-7 mil (Hickson or someone else) and still keep Batum.
    The Blazers are in a great situation this year.

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    Nothing new here, been posted many times before, not sure it needs its own thread but.... this is just posturing...
    No one's feelings need to get hurt.. business is business... With that being said, I truly believe in my heart that Roy wants to remain a Pacer... All of this is just a formality...

    The thing we NEED to be worrying about, is the Pacer's front office...
    If Bird was still here, I would say with 120% certainty we would match whatever offer is thrown out there...
    With Walsh at the helm, I am not so sure and would put it at about a 90% chance we match.. It's that other 10% that has me worried.. Not because of the money involved, but moreso with there being new management at the reins ..

    I will say one thing though, if Portland ends up with Hibbert, I don't know how I will react.. Because I will have lost all faith in this great organization and will be probably so disgusted that I just won't care anymore... I have way too much emotionally invested in this team and a very select few of our players..

    I'll probably give up on the whole NBA and basketball as a whole, much like I did baseball about 18 years ago and I never looked back.... I hate saying that, because it would be like giving up my kid for adoption but it will **** me off beyond belief ..
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    With what is on the table right now, of course Roy is leaning towards the Blazers, they are offering more money. If we match, and he had a choice in the matter, he would stay in Indiana.

    Stop pretending that players should be loyal and if they would take a better deal elsewhere that they are dicks. Thats business. Teams have no problem trading players or not resigning them and no one says a thing. They play to make money, whether you like that or not.

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    Whether true or not, Roy is on dangerous ground rep-wise. The perception of him is not great right now.
    Not really.

    There are four ways restricted free agency can go:
    1. Roy agrees to whatever number the Pacers toss out there
    2. Roy investigates offers from other teams and allows Pacers to match/beat/pass
    3. Roy signs an offer sheet and the Pacers decide to match/pass
    4. Roy is offered the absolute max the Pacers are allowed to


    #1 is bad for Roy. #4 is bad for the Pacers. #2 or #3 is the compromise.

    None of this has anything to do with loyalty or reputation. It's just the nature of restricted free agency.
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    With what is on the table right now, of course Roy is leaning towards the Blazers, they are offering more money. If we match, and he had a choice in the matter, he would stay in Indiana.

    Stop pretending that players should be loyal and if they would take a better deal elsewhere that they are dicks. Thats business. Teams have no problem trading players or not resigning them and no one says a thing. They play to make money, whether you like that or not.
    True but my point is even if we matched his offer he would rather be with them.

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    True but my point is even if we matched his offer he would rather be with them.
    That's all speculation unless it comes directly from hibbert himself, not his agent.

    If hibbert really wants to leave Indiana, he'll make a public declaration.

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    True but my point is even if we matched his offer he would rather be with them.
    No where is that said in the article or in the video. All that is said is that he is leaning towards Portland, solely because of the money they are offering.

    Its just posturing from Roy, pretty much saying there is no home town discount

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    No where is that said in the article or in the video. All that is said is that he is leaning towards Portland, solely because of the money they are offering.

    Its just posturing from Roy, pretty much saying there is no home town discount
    Well, the article does say
    The Pacers would still be able to match any offer for Hibbbert when the July moratorium expires, but teams generally work out deals for players who express a specific desire to be elsewhere once they become free agents.
    so it kind of does imply that there's a desire to be elsewhere even if we match.

    Now is it posturing? Almost certainly.

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    Yes, it does imply that Hibbert has a desire to be elsewhere, and it is most likely just agent posturing. Unfortunate, but that is the way the game is played.

    Step back for a moment here. How much does Roy Hibbert love playing for Coach Vogel? Not enough to give us a "home town" discount for sure, but he has made it abundantly clear he is devoted to the guy and very clear how much he loves his Area 55 people. We are to believe that because the FO from Portland gave him a few hours of song and dance that he would much rather be in Portland now?

    No. That's as silly as thinking we'd really rather have Kaman or Asik than Roy just because we've talked to them.

    Now I am a little worried about what our FO is going to do, but I am not at all worried that Roy doesn't want to play for the Indiana Pacers. He wants to get paid what the market will bear and so far nothing that has happened is out of the ordinary for this time period.

    If we get a direct quote from Roy that says he doesn't want to come back to Indiana, then we can have a meltdown together.

    Speaking of direct quotes - I don't know why you have "Leaning toward signing with the blazers if he had the choice?" in quotes when that quote does not appear anywhere in the article you are referencing. You are paraphrasing based on your understanding of the article and the problem with that is that you have worded it quite a bit more strongly but make it appear like someone else went on record saying it. Bad form.
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    I heard Roy and Portland have been sleeping together for months.
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    Yes, it does imply that Hibbert has a desire to be elsewhere, and it is most likely just agent posturing. Unfortunate, but that is the way the game is played.

    Step back for a moment here. How much does Roy Hibbert love playing for Coach Vogel? Not enough to give us a "home town" discount for sure, but he has made it abundantly clear he is devoted to the guy and very clear how much he loves his Area 55 people. We are to believe that because the FO from Portland gave him a few hours of song and dance that he would much rather be in Portland now?

    No. That's as silly as thinking we'd really rather have Kaman or Asik than Roy just because we've talked to them.

    Now I am a little worried about what our FO is going to do, but I am not at all worried that Roy doesn't want to play for the Indiana Pacers. He wants to get paid what the market will bear and so far nothing that has happened is out of the ordinary for this time period.

    If we get a direct quote from Roy that says he doesn't want to come back to Indiana, then we can have a meltdown together.

    Speaking of direct quotes - I don't know why you have "Leaning toward signing with the blazers if he had the choice?" in quotes when that quote does not appear anywhere in the article you are referencing. You are paraphrasing based on your understanding of the article and the problem with that is that you have worded it quite a bit more strongly but make it appear like someone else went on record saying it. Bad form.
    I was thinking the same about why he would want to stay here. But them I also think that maybe it was all a lie.

    Maybe his just liked Vogel's personality better then O'Brian's because he didn't put him down in front of others, but truthfully

    he was disgusted on how he was fed the ball especially during the Heat series. Portland must have gave his a sales speech on how

    they were going to make sure they were going to unleash his full potential.


    I don't see anything wrong with the title. It's with a question mark and the video clearly indicates that it may he would do if he had the decision.

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    I was thinking the same about why he would want to stay here. But them I also think that maybe it was all a lie.

    Maybe his just liked Vogel's personality better then O'Brian's because he didn't put him down in front of others, but truthfully

    he was disgusted on how he was fed the ball especially during the Heat series. Portland must have gave his a sales speech on how

    they were going to make sure they were going to unleash his full potential.


    I don't see anything wrong with the title. It's with a question mark and the video clearly indicates that it may he would do if he had the decision.
    I couldn't watch the video until now, it kept stalling in the Deron Williams portion. OK, so the quotes from Aldridge are: "Right now, if Roy Hibbert had to choose, he'd choose Portland," and "If he had to pick, I think he would pick Portland." Fairly close to what you said, but when you put something in quotes it should be exact.

    I still think it's mostly posturing. He's feeling warm and fuzzy because people want him and want to give him a lot of money. If the Pacers match I doubt Roy sulks about it.

    It's going to be a loooong two weeks.
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    Also, keep in mind, Roy kills his reputation with other teams if he makes it clear he's just using the blazers for leverage and hes inly signing the contract to force the pacers to match it. He has to put a positive spin on this if he really intends to sign their offer sheet.

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    Not really.

    There are four ways restricted free agency can go:
    1. Roy agrees to whatever number the Pacers toss out there
    2. Roy investigates offers from other teams and allows Pacers to match/beat/pass
    3. Roy signs an offer sheet and the Pacers decide to match/pass
    4. Roy is offered the absolute max the Pacers are allowed to


    #1 is bad for Roy. #4 is bad for the Pacers. #2 or #3 is the compromise.

    None of this has anything to do with loyalty or reputation. It's just the nature of restricted free agency.
    It has everything to do with reputation, among your fans. Let's wait out the 10 days and see if we get any more "Roy not loyal" posts and then we can reassess. And this is among a biased sample of fans that understands the nuances of restricted free agency.

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