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    Default Season Summary and League Update - Summer Trading has begun! 8-Man Rosters also due!

    Dear IKL Owners,

    Welcome to the fifth season of the IKL. Last season's win meant that the Baltimore Bulldogs won their fourth consecutive championship, firmly establishing themselves as the first great dynasty of the IKL era. However, the deep rookie class and significant FA movement this year gives the other 19 teams in the league a great chance to finally knock bulldog off his perch.

    If any owners are not coming back this year, please PM me ASAP so I can get to work finding a replacement owner.

    SUMMER TRADING IS OPEN

    First off, trading is now open again (technically, it was open as soon as the finals ended, but hey)! Teams do not have to worry about the 12-man limit during the summer. Teams also have four picks (due to the agreed-on 8-man roster limits for this season) to trade. Any trades made must be followed up by PMs to me by both sides of the deal.

    SUMMER ROSTERS

    These were the rosters as of the last regular season game.

    Please submit your 8-man protected lists by July 14 (PM me) so we can get the draft rolling ASAP.

    If you are keeping more than 8 players, remind me to take your draft picks away. People who currently do not have a first round pick cannot retain more than 8 players.

    NACOGDOCHES FLYING PIGS (Pig Nash)

    Marc Gasol
    Elton Brand
    Markieff Morris
    Derrick Williams
    Trevor Booker
    Luol Deng
    John Wall
    Nate Robinson
    Kevin Martin
    Tony Allen
    Boris Diaw
    Klay Thompson

    FUNK SEOUL BROTHERS (frostwolf)

    Derrick Rose
    Manu Ginobili
    Ty Lawson
    Rodrigue Beaubois
    Chris Kaman
    Ian Mahinmi
    Hassan Whiteside
    David Lee
    DeJuan Blair
    Tyrus Thomas
    Udonis Haslem
    Jared Dudley

    LAS VEGAS VENOM (Skaut_Ech)

    Kevin Love
    Dirk Nowitzki
    JaVale McGee
    Serge Ibaka
    Hasheem Thabeet
    Jamaal Tinsley
    Deron Williams
    Andre Miller
    Jordan Farmar
    Nick Young
    Mike Dunleavy
    Gerald Green

    GOBIAS ILLUSION (avoidingtheclowns)

    Chris Paul
    Jeremy Lin
    Jarrett Jack
    Jordan Crawford
    Kenneth Faried
    Jon Leuer
    Bismack Biyombo
    Gerald Henderson
    Wesley Johnson
    Kendrick Perkins
    Kevin Seraphin
    Darko Milicic

    REDBULL INTERNATIONALS (GO!!!!!)

    Semih Erden
    Roy Hibbert
    Dwight Howard
    Monta Ellis
    Isaiah Thomas
    Paul Pierce
    Antawn Jamison
    Baron Davis
    Xavier Henry
    Walker Russell
    Gustavo Ayon
    Jason Thompson

    CHINA GROVE CHIOODLES (SycamoreKen)

    Brook Lopez
    Channing Frye
    Jonas Valancianas
    Amir Johnson
    Carl Landry
    Landry Fields
    Chase Budinger
    Patrick Patterson
    Corey Brewer
    Greivis Vasquez
    Darren Collison
    Norris Cole

    HOOPSTOWN HOOPSTERS (diamonddave00)

    Andrew Bynum
    Tyson Chandler
    Chris Bosh
    Tyreke Evans
    Devin Harris
    Arron Afflalo
    Dorell Wright
    Jameer Nelson
    Glen Davis
    Zach Randolph
    Jermaine Oneal
    Wilson Chandler

    PHILADELPHIA CLOWN BABIES (LoneGranger33)

    Greg Monroe
    Anderson Varejao
    Andrea Bargnani
    David West
    Danny Granger
    Marshon Brooks
    Brandon Knight
    Mo Williams
    Eric Bledsoe
    Reggie Jackson
    Jason Richardson
    Gilbert Arenas

    YOUNG TURKS (bellisimo)

    Spencer Hawes
    Jason Smith
    Carlos Boozer
    Kris Humphries
    Matt Barnes
    D.J. White
    Danny Green
    Andre Iguodala
    Mario Chalmers
    CJ Watson
    C.J. Miles
    Sundiata Gaines

    UTRECHT LIONS (Mourning)

    Samuel Dalembert
    DeMarcus Cousins
    Drew Gooden
    Brandan Wright
    Lavoy Allen
    Kyrie Irving
    Ramon Sessions
    Sebastian Telfair
    A.J. Price
    Evan Turner
    O.J. Mayo
    Timofey Mozgov

    JEFFERSONVILLE TERRIERS (BSparkman)

    Andrew Bogut
    Marcus Camby
    Ryan Anderson
    Luis Scola
    Tobias Harris
    Lamar Odom
    Reggie Williams
    Kobe Bryant
    Tony Parker
    Jason Kidd
    Stephen Jackson
    J.J. Redick

    ANDERSON PACKERS (iceman1)

    Al Horford
    Joakim Noah
    LeBron James
    Rudy Gay
    Zaza Pachulia
    Shawn Marion
    Caron Butler
    Russell Westbrook
    Jamal Crawford
    Jose Barea
    Jason Terry
    Delonte West

    INDY SPITTING COBRAS (Speed)

    Stephen Curry
    Louis Williams
    Gerald Wallace
    Rodney Stuckey
    Kosta Koufos
    B.J. Mullens
    Tiago Splitter
    Enes Kanter
    Marreese Speights
    Jordan Hill
    Larry Sanders
    Chandler Parsons

    INDIANAPOLIS MAGIC RATS (MagicRat)

    Omer Asik
    Brendan Haywood
    LaMarcus Aldridge
    Kyle Lowry
    Brandon Jennings
    Mike Conley
    Josh Smith
    Paul George
    Brandon Bass
    Shelden Williams
    Gordon Hayward
    Raymond Felton

    ENFIELD HOWLING FANTODS (SoupIsGood)

    Carmelo Anthony
    Al Harrington
    Tristan Thompson
    Kevin Durant
    Tracy McGrady
    Vince Carter
    Greg Stiemsma
    Nene Hilario
    Kevin Garnett
    Chris Andersen
    Aaron Brooks
    Toney Douglas

    GRONINGEN GEEZERS (pacersgroningen)

    Al Jefferson
    Andris Biedrins
    Rajon Rondo
    Grant Hill
    Hedo Turkoglu
    Andray Blatche
    Thaddeus Young
    Goran Dragic
    Alec Burks
    Al-Farouq Aminu
    Chris Singleton
    Jeff Foster

    BELFAST BANSHEE (Jose Slaughter)

    Nikola Pekovic
    Amare Stoudemire
    Blake Griffin
    James Johnson
    Michael Beasley
    Donatas Motiejunas
    Alonzo Gee
    Jerryd Bayless
    Beno Udrih
    Gary Neal
    Jeff Teague
    Ricky Rubio

    DC DREAMERS (kuq_e_zi91)

    DeAndre Jordan
    Derrick Favors
    Ed Davis
    James Harden
    D.J. Augustin
    Kawhi Leonard
    Jrue Holiday
    Ekpe Udoh
    Trevor Ariza
    Tyler Hansbrough
    George Hill
    DeMar DeRozan

    EMERALD CITY TIPPLERS (zallen541)

    Nikola Vucevic
    Emeka Okafor
    Craig Smith
    Robin Lopez
    Ersan Ilyasova
    Taj Gibson
    Nicolas Batum
    Joe Johnson
    Eric Gordon
    Kemba Walker
    Marcus Thornton
    Iman Shumpert

    BALTIMORE BULLDOGS (bulldog)

    Tim Duncan
    Pau Gasol
    Paul Millsap
    Marcin Gortat
    Joel Przybilla
    Danilo Gallinari
    Dwyane Wade
    Steve Nash
    Jose Calderon
    Leandro Barbosa
    Jonas Jerebko
    Jan Vesely

    VOTE - DRAFT ORDER METHODOLOGY

    An idea that came up during the season was changing the current way of ordering our drafts for next season. Currently, we simply do it in the reverse order of the final standings. However, we also have the option to change it to the NBA model, where the 12 playoff teams occupy the last 12 spots each round ordered by their regular season record, and the 8 non-playoff teams getting the top 8 spots, again ordered by their regular season records. Please vote in the attached poll, also by July 14. A simple majority for either option will make it official, though anyone with compelling arguments as to the opposite will be heard out too.

    Looking forward to another great season! Thanks guys. Get your protected lists in ASAP!

    Frostwolf
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    Flying Pigs keepers

    Marc Gasol

    Elton Brand
    Markieff Morris
    Derrick Williams
    Luol Deng
    John Wall
    Kevin Martin
    Klay Thompson

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    Can you list the draft order?

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    it's in the other thread.

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    Al Jefferson
    Andris Biedrins
    Rajon Rondo
    Andray Blatche
    Thaddeus Young
    Goran Dragic
    Alec Burks
    Al-Farouq Aminu
    yay, we're going back to the play-offs!

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    I vote for NBA Style as I believe this method to be the most fairest and balanced overall.

    YOUNG TURKS (bellisimo)

    Spencer Hawes
    Jason Smith
    Carlos Boozer
    Kris Humphries
    Matt Barnes
    Andre Iguodala
    CJ Watson
    Sundiata Gaines

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    Philadelphia Clown Babies

    Greg Monroe
    Anderson Varejao
    Andrea Bargnani
    David West
    Danny Granger
    Marshon Brooks
    Brandon Knight
    Eric Bledsoe

    Mo Williams
    Reggie Jackson
    Jason Richardson
    Gilbert Arenas

    Looking to get younger and more potential-ish, the Clown Babies are open to trade offers.
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    BELFAST BANSHEE (Jose Slaughter)

    Protected

    Nikola Pekovic
    Amare Stoudemire
    Blake Griffin
    James Johnson
    Donatas Motiejunas
    Jerryd Bayless
    Jeff Teague
    Ricky Rubio

    Unprotected

    Michael Beasley
    Alonzo Gee
    Beno Udrih
    Gary Neal

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    Emerald City Tipplers

    Ersan Illyasova
    Nicolas Batum
    Joe Johnson
    Eric Gordon
    Kemba Walker
    Marcus Thornton
    Iman Shumpert
    Taj Gibson

    Unprotected:

    Craig Smith
    Emeka Okafor
    Robin Lopez
    Nikola Vucevic

    Funk Seoul Brothers:

    Derrick Rose
    Manu Ginobili
    Ty Lawson
    Rodrigue Beaubois
    Chris Kaman
    Ian Mahinmi
    David Lee
    DeJuan Blair

    Unprotected:
    Tyrus Thomas
    Udonis Haslem
    Jared Dudley
    Hassan Whiteside

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    DC DREAMERS (kuq_e_zi91)

    DeAndre Jordan
    Derrick Favors
    Ed Davis
    Kawhi Leonard
    James Harden
    D.J. Augustin
    Jrue Holiday
    George Hill

    Unprotected:

    Ekpe Udoh
    Trevor Ariza
    Tyler Hansbrough
    DeMar DeRozan

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    GOBIAS ILLUSION

    Chris Paul
    Jeremy Lin
    Jarrett Jack
    Jordan Crawford
    Kenneth Faried
    Bismack Biyombo
    Kendrick Perkins
    Kevin Seraphin

    unprotected
    Gerald Henderson
    Wesley Johnson
    Jon Leuer
    Darko Milicic

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    CHINA GROVE CHIPOODLES
    Brook Lopez
    Channing Frye
    Jonas Valancianas
    Landry Fields
    Chase Budinger
    Darren Collison
    Norris Cole
    Greivis Vasquez

    Unprotected
    Carl Landry
    Amir Johnson
    Corey Brewer
    Patrick Patterson

    I will say, the trade of DC and NOLA trading away Vasquez's competition away made things easier for me.
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    UTRECHT LIONS:

    Protected:
    Samuel Dalembert
    DeMarcus Cousins
    Drew Gooden
    Brandan Wright
    Kyrie Irving
    Ramon Sessions
    Evan Turner
    O.J. Mayo

    unprotected
    A.J. Price
    Timofey Mozgov
    Lavoy Allen
    Sebastian Telfair

    Also I want to say I'm not in favor drafting like done in the NBA as I think in the end it could lead to some teams just being in a difficult division/conference not making the playoffs, but at the sametime being massively better then some playoff teams in the other conference who make the playoffs because for example most teams in their conference are in a rebuilding process. This leads to more uneven conferences/divisions IMHO. It might even lead to some teams in the end of the regular season who see that they are not making the playoffs anyway tanking an extra few games to get a better pick.
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    Would using average points per game be a better method?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
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    Would using average points per game be a better method?
    why did i not think of that... since average PPG is pretty much the only important stat that is not relative, it makes a lot of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
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    Would using average points per game be a better method?
    Yea - I would definitely vote for NBA style with PPG being the one that decides who finishes where.

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    ya wanna post a poll for the 2013 draft using the PPG method?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
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    ya wanna post a poll for the 2013 draft using the PPG method?
    Can we award extra points for 'games missed due to ankle injury'.... says the guy with Steph Curry on his team.

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    INDY SPITTING COBRAS (Speed)

    Protected:
    Stephen Curry
    Louis Williams
    Gerald Wallace
    Rodney Stuckey
    Tiago Splitter
    Enes Kanter
    Marreese Speights
    Chandler Parsons

    Unprotected
    Jordan Hill
    Larry Sanders
    Kosta Koufos
    B.J. Mullens

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    I'd like to keep 10. I can't remember if I traded any picks away, can anyone remind me? But ideally...

    BALTIMORE BULLDOGS (bulldog)
    Keep:
    Tim Duncan
    Pau Gasol
    Paul Millsap
    Marcin Gortat
    Danilo Gallinari
    Dwyane Wade
    Steve Nash
    Jose Calderon
    Jonas Jerebko
    Jan Vesely

    Drop:
    Leandro Barbosa
    Joel Przybilla
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog View Post
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    I'd like to keep 10. I can't remember if I traded any picks away, can anyone remind me?
    Here's the draft order thread: http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...s-to-Attend-to

    And this is from Hoops:
    Transaction #928 - 02/28 04:32:00 - Asheville trades G John Wall (WAS), F Trevor Booker (WAS) to Nacogdoches for F Ersan Ilyasova (MIL), GF Joe Johnson (ATL).

    Transaction #865 - 02/13 00:54:07 - Las Vegas trades C Timofey Mozgov (DEN) to Utrecht for G Jordan Farmar (NJN).

    Transaction #867 - 02/12 19:44:35 - Asheville trades G Iman Shumpert (NYK) to Belfast for FC Emeka Okafor (NOR).

    Transaction #775 - 02/04 18:26:41 - Las Vegas trades G Jrue Holiday (PHI) to DC for FC Dirk Nowitzki (DAL).

    Transaction #771 - 02/03 18:32:35 - China Grove trades C B.J. Mullens (CHA) to Indy for G Norris Cole (MIA).

    Transaction #486 - 12/29 09:37:15 - Indy trades G Derrick Rose (CHI), F Tyrus Thomas (CHA) to Funk Seoul for GF Gerald Wallace (NJN), FC Enes Kanter (UTA), G Rodney Stuckey (DET).

    Looks like you have 'em all.

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    Keep:
    LaMarcus Aldridge
    Kyle Lowry
    Brandon Jennings
    Mike Conley
    Josh Smith
    Paul George
    Brandon Bass
    Gordon Hayward

    Drop:
    Brendan Haywood
    Shelden Williams
    Raymond Felton
    Omer Asik
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    BELFAST BANSHEE (Jose Slaughter)

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    Nikola Pekovic
    Amare Stoudemire
    Blake Griffin
    James Johnson
    Donatas Motiejunas
    Jerryd Bayless
    Jeff Teague
    Ricky Rubio

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    So if you trade a pick for someone on a dropped list, you then have to drop another player, correct? Just clarifying.

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    ok guys, i apologise for not having everyone keep the deadline for sending in the protected lists (also for having the deadline so early).

    usually, you CANNOT make a trade for an unprotected player as they effectively become part of the draft pool as soon as everyone's protected rosters are finalised.

    however, in past seasons we have allowed people to modify their protected lists if it was before the deadline. since not everyone has submitted by the deadline it pretty much has become worthless.

    so, this is what i'm going to do.

    i will consider this a trade that occured before the submission of the protected list.

    JS will have 11 players after this trade, and he still can submit 8 protected players.

    mourning will now have 13 players before he submits his protected list. he still can only protect 8. he also does not have his second rounder, so he cannot protect 10 players (or more) unless he regains a second round pick somewhere. he can, however, keep 9 by forfeiting his first round draft pick.

    after seeing this, JS and mourning, PM me regarding whether you want to continue with the trade or not.

    obviously this highlights an important tactic: it is usually not worth it to trade for a player for just a pick during the summer before the protected list as it means you have to cut an extra player.

    giving away a pick for a player during the season just means you can drop somebody else from your 12-man roster, which is fine.
    giving away a pick for a player during the draft is also ok as you can keep 13 players until the first game deadline date (then sports.ws automatically drops your 13th player)
    giving away a pick for a player after the protected list deadline and before the draft is also fine, you do not always necessarily go into the draft with exactly 8 players.

    again, my apologies for not enforcing the previous deadline (some people either don't check their PMs or are really busy i guess). the new protected list deadline will be August 1, so trading can continue until that date.

    also ken (and others who have not), could you submit your list please? thank you!
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