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    It's not bad enough that they got the number 1 pick with big man Greg Oden in that VERY SAME draft we picked Roy at 17 from . But just because of their crappy luck with injuries they have to now go after our big man.. Paul Allen can suck my hairy arse ...

    SCREW Portland....

    I can't wait till we find out if Simon/Pritchard/Walsh have the balls to NOT match and lock up our face of this franchise... this waiting around is killing me ... Because like a few others on here, if they fark this up and drive Roy out if Indy I'm done with the Pacers, and I am done with the NBA for awhile...
    Pretty bad, and it should speak volumes when the Pacer's Digest winner of this year's sunshiner award would call it quits and be done with the ineptness of this team if they screw this up...


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    It's not bad enough that they got the number 1 pick with big man Greg Oden in that VERY SAME draft we picked Roy at 17 from . But just because of their crappy luck with injuries they have to now go after our big man.. Paul Allen can suck my hairy arse ...

    SCREW Portland....


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    Yup! We just have to sign Hibbert. It's as simple as that.

    As we can see in FA it's quite tough for Indy to sign a topflight free agent, so we better keep our own cornerstones under contract as long as it's not crippling our franchise and I in no way see that with the contract which Hibbert got offered from Portland. Match it, FO.

    IF we don't and I think there is only a very slim chance of that happenning I am going to be quite pissed, dissappointed and disillusioned. If they don't even want to pay Roy then what's the use of following the team. But, again I think we will simply match the Trailblazers offer, not worried at all.
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    Is Hibbert really worth that much? Was he "great" all season or merely while matched up against a team whose center went down with an abdominal strain? I'm asking seriously because many of you saw much more of Roy than I was able to watch this year. Especially those that went to the games I ask, is he worth it?

    I recall early in his carrier there were constant calls to trade Rik Smits because he was a foul machine and couldn't stay in the game. DW stuck with him, and the core of the team, and let them learn together over the years. (It's a process) Then, as needed he added special veterans....like Mullie and Smooth. Veterans that brought experience and special talents. DW is back and why should we expect him to act differently than we have seen in the past? If the answer to my question above is "yes" or "he will be" then we can expect DW to match or work out a 5 year deal. If he decides not to match, it will be because he knows the kid isn't worth it.
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    It's not bad enough that they got the number 1 pick with big man Greg Oden in that VERY SAME draft we picked Roy at 17 from .

    Oden was drafted in 07, Roy in 08.

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    Pretty bad, and it should speak volumes when the Pacer's Digest winner of this year's sunshiner award would call it quits and be done with the ineptness of this team if they screw this up...
    Sounds like you're ready to turn in your crown.
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    Ugh.

    Conrad Brunner, who (especially during the Walsh era) tends to be a mouthpiece for the front office, just spent five minutes going on and on about why Roy wouldn't be a smart guy to match on a max deal. That's another red flag to me. Talked about how doing so sets a bad precedent for re-signing West and eventually PG, leading to being stuck in mediocrity (which, btw, what does that really say about his opinion of our 2012 team he used to seem more supportive of), how you shouldn't call Roy an all-star center because that should be reserved for players who are in or a threat to be in the all-star game every year and Roy isn't... sounds like a lot of rationalization to me. Not good.

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    He also made it sound like Kaman wasn't worth the money either.

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    Ugh.

    Conrad Brunner, who (especially during the Walsh era) tends to be a mouthpiece for the front office, just spent five minutes going on and on about why Roy wouldn't be a smart guy to match on a max deal. That's another red flag to me. Talked about how doing so sets a bad precedent for re-signing West and eventually PG, leading to being stuck in mediocrity (which, btw, what does that really say about his opinion of our 2012 team he used to seem more supportive of), how you shouldn't call Roy an all-star center because that should be reserved for players who are in or a threat to be in the all-star game every year and Roy isn't... sounds like a lot of rationalization to me. Not good.
    I wouldn't worry too much about it cause as soon as we do sign him he'll do a 180 and talk about how it was a no-brainer type move that we had to do to keep this franchise going forward. If they're really worrried about setting bad precedents for contracts look no further than one George Hill, that is..if the numbers being reported on his contract are true.

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    That doesn't sound good, especially with new orleans's lightning-quick response to Gordon's deal....

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    Cant take potentially 8-9 more days of this.....

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    I think you'll get your answer in six.

    One way or the other, you won't need more than a day to figure out Indiana's intentions.

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    Ugh.

    Conrad Brunner, who (especially during the Walsh era) tends to be a mouthpiece for the front office, just spent five minutes going on and on about why Roy wouldn't be a smart guy to match on a max deal. That's another red flag to me. Talked about how doing so sets a bad precedent for re-signing West and eventually PG, leading to being stuck in mediocrity (which, btw, what does that really say about his opinion of our 2012 team he used to seem more supportive of), how you shouldn't call Roy an all-star center because that should be reserved for players who are in or a threat to be in the all-star game every year and Roy isn't... sounds like a lot of rationalization to me. Not good.
    Hey, but on the bright side we officially signed Miles Plumlee!

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    I wouldn't read too much into anything just yet. I think the Pacers and Roy's agent are still negotiating. Roy hasn't agreed to sign any offer sheets yet. I think if negotiations were over, Roy would have agreed to sign the Blazers' offer. So far, all he's said is that he's leaning towards signing it.

    I think the Pacers are trying to talk Roy into taking a 5-year deal for less than the max and Roy's agent is going to want to get the full 5-year max. I think Roy announcing he's going to sign the Blazers' offer is the official signal that negotiations are over and it's do-or-die time for the Pacers.
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    I wouldn't read too much into anything just yet. I think the Pacers and Roy's agent are still negotiating. Roy hasn't agreed to sign any offer sheets yet. I think if negotiations were over, Roy would have agreed to sign the Blazers' offer. So far, all he's said is that he's leaning towards signing it.

    I think the Pacers are trying to talk Roy into taking a 5-year deal for less than the max and Roy's agent is going to want to get the full 5-year max. I think Roy announcing he's going to sign the Blazers' offer is the official signal that negotiations are over and it's do-or-die time for the Pacers.
    This needs to be read carefully.

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    That doesn't sound good, especially with new orleans's lightning-quick response to Gordon's deal....
    I think that was partially brought about by Gordon's statement about his heart belonging in Phoenix...
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    The Pacers FO said that their top priority was to re-sign both Hibbert and Hill this offseason. Nothing that has come out of the front office is suggesting otherwise.

    We were looking to sign Kaman last year WITH Hibbert already on the roster.

    Again, if you focus on the facts, you'll be right as rain.

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    Wells said today Roy IS signing the Portland deal on the radio. I am confused on why anyone thought differently.

    And the Aldridge article also said that Herb has given the okay to go either way after they review the offer. Pretty obvious that means he's signing it.

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    I'm still trying to figure out why people still think the pacers are negotiating with Roy...there's nothing left to negotiate at this point.

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    I'm still trying to figure out why people still think the pacers are negotiating with Roy...
    We have to talk ourselves into reasons why the front office has remained quiet on this. That's the one I'm going with.
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    This just sucks, are we going to have to wait untul the 14th to find out if we are going to match, or will the front office let us know before then? I mean if they aren't going to match will they let us know or will we have to wait until they don't match the deal on the 14th?

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    My bad. I guess Roy has indeed already verbally agreed to sign the offer sheet with Portland: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/roy-hib...230029410.html

    Well, I guess it's do-or-die time.
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    We have to talk ourselves into reasons why the front office has remained quiet on this. That's the one I'm going with.
    Not just the Pacers FO; Hibbert's camp has been surprisingly quiet too. Along with clues to the FO's thinking (i.e. we know Pacers want to keep Roy, we know they think he's not worth a max deal, we know they're willing to offer the 5th year to compensate) and it all adds up to a pretty big possibility.

    What I can't figure out is why there's people who wouldn't even acknowledge the possibility. Trading money for years is as old as the hills in NBA negotiation.

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    ...because verbal contacts are just as old...

    The only way both Roy and Portland concede to alter the deal is in case of a sign and trade.

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    My bad. I guess Roy has indeed already verbally agreed to sign the offer sheet with Portland: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/roy-hib...230029410.html

    Well, I guess it's do-or-die time.
    Don't give up too soon. It's the same report that's been giving everyone the heeby-jeebies. Honestly, some journalists can't seem to tell the difference. I'll wait for Mike Wells, or somebody like Woj etc to confirm it before giving up on my theory.

    Just as an example: Jeremy Lin was previously reported to have verbally agreed to the Rockets' offer sheet, with some reports saying it's 3 years $24m, others saying its 4 years, $32m. Now the word is JLin is going to "mull over" Houston's offer; i.e. keeping the door open to competing offers from oh let's say Toronto, who just happened to have just lost out on Steve Nash.

    Anyway, we'll all know for certain pretty soon.

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