5-5.5 mil AND no more!
After seeing what some posters are willing to pay, it's classic overvaluing Hill, b/c he's a Pacer. If some other team wants to pay more, let him walk with good wishes. He's a combo guard that is a bench player for other teams. Other than the Pacers where is he going to find another team where he can start?
Here are some players for comparison.
Lowry 5.7 mil... Hill isn't as good as Lowry
Jack 5.4 mil... combo guard like Hill
Ridnour 4 mil... combo guard
Lou Williams 5.3 mil... combo guard
Chalmers 4 mil
Sessions 4.5 mil
Conley 6.6 mil... Hill not as good
It kind of depends on who else is available (i.e. I would sign Nash for $10 mil or take Gordon in a S&T over re-signing Hill). But a max of $7.5/year feels right.
MLE. Looking at all of his skills accumulatively, you basically have a Jarrett Jack level of player, with different strengths and weaknesses. You know what the FO did that time, but the circumstances are a bit different: he's a local boy, we have more $, etc.
I hope we don't go over 6.5.
I think Hill is better than all of those players with the exception of Lowry. It just depends what you value in your PG/combo guard. People forget how much better of a record the team had with Hill in the lineup as opposed to when he was injured. Hill's presence, though inconsistent, was a big part of our success last year.
Do I overpay for him? No I do not. But he's def better than most of those guys listed above
I'd honestly wait on Hill and see what kind of offers he's getting. I'd offer a qualifying offer of $6M and see if a team is willing to best that. I have a feeling that not many teams are looking at Hill.
3 scenarios for the draft, starting with my favorite first:
1. Pacers trade up for Justice Winslow
2. Take WCS or Stanley Johnson (this is the theory of a player falling); Make trades (Hibbert/West/others) for additional picks - George Lucas and Rakeem Christmas are players I'd love to have with a late first/early 2nd round
3. Trey Lyles
I'm sure my opinion will change many times before the draft though.
Conley is a better player than Hill and personally, i'd put him on par with JJ.
Conley actually knows how to run a team's offense, which is... you know... what a point guard is supposed to do.
Hill's defense is nice, but we all saw how stagnant the offense sometimes got with Hill running the team.
Hill is nowhere near Conley's level, be serious. Next I'm going to read that Hibbert is better than Bynum and Hansbrough better than Bosh.
Conley is a better PG than Hill, but I think the argument could be made that Hill is a better player than Conley, with the ability to play both guard spots.
Not making the argument necessarily, but I think it could be made. I don't watch Memphis enough.
He has not had any type of offseason working as the PG of this team, he did not do a horrible job, he was our most efficient scorer last year, and often we really have not used our PG as a real PG anyways. It is hard to try to judge a person on something they really have not been asked to do.
I think he is worth atleast 6.8 and will probably get more.
And just for comparison sake, Rodney Stuckey plays a similar role at times and is making 8.5, also Conley is not just making 6.5 it is more like 7.9 million the deal is just structured as one that increases over the years and eventually gets up to 9.7 million.
Why so SERIOUS
The point wasn't whether others are better than Hill, BUT what others were making compared to ridiculously overpaying Hill. Most overpaid players get overpaid by their own teams. Nelson just opted out of his 8.5 mil contract with the Magic. Otis Smith did what so many GM do by overpaying to keep their own player. This is EXACTLY what I don't want to see the Walsh do with Hill. He overpaid to keep Tinsley, so don't duplicate the same mistake again, especially when Hill isn't even a true PG. I don't want to see Hill get overpaid just b/c he's supposedly the best PG on the roster. If so, what's that saying much about the quality of the Pacers PG?
Again, Hill is a bench combo guard who is playing starting PG, b/c the Pacers don't have a better PG. Why overpay for mediocrity at best? Trade for Lowry who is paid a reasonable salary, or sign someone like Felton at a reasonable salary.
If you pay 7-8 mil to re-sign Hill, that becomes added cost on top of everthing else that was involved in the trade for Hill. While Leonard is on his rookie contract, the cost of keeping Hill skyrockets the expense of having done the trade for the length of Leonard's contract. Hill was traded for as a bench player for the 2nd unit when he was on a rookie contract. Now, the cost of HIll is greatly increasing with a new contact less than a year later. From a business standpoint, that trade moneywise just doesn't look that good now. If Hill gets 7 mil next season and Leonard's salary is 1.8 mil, that trade just cost Herb over 5 mil each year of Leonard's contract. By not having traded the pick, the Pacers would have had millions more in cap space to apply towards a "true PG" that fits the Pacers needs. JMOAA
Also consider that Lou Williams just opted out of a contract that would pay him 6.39 million because he feels he can get more than that in free agency.
Why so SERIOUS
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No, I make it sound like Hill is a quality backup guard who lacks above average passing or playmaking (aka point guard) skills, who we had starting as a square peg for a round hole. And what do you know, that's exactly what it is.
George Hill is a really good backup, like $6 million a year good, but no higher. He could start at SG in a pinch, but that isn't going to happen here. If the Pacers are serious about improving he won't be starting at point guard (for long, anyway). And to the guy who brought up Stuckey, yeah, that's considered a bad contract.
I'd go as high as 7.5 which i think is fair and if its offered i think we will see Hill in the Pacers jersey again
I would keep the first year below 6. But on average around 6.8
Right-o. He's a 6th man who should primarily be at SG and only see spot duty at PG due to injury or foul trouble. I wouldn't mind just seeing him walk. His best attribute has more to do with his personality than his skillset.
Yes, I saw it. As of today he's making 6.6 mil. Next season, IIRC, he making 7.3 mil. He's making more, b/c he's a better PG than Hill. I don't want to see Walsh pay Hill Conley money when Hill isn't as good.
He's also not as good as Lowry at 5.7 mil, so he should make less. 5-5.5 mil is the MOST the Pacers should sign Hill for, but I wouldn't hold my breath or bet the farm on that's what the Pacers will sign him for with Walsh in charge.