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    Every year some front office fools place waaaaaay too much emphasis on measurables from the combine and meaningless workouts, ignoring the actual game film they have on the players.

    Seriously, how does a guy that tall who has such an insane vertical fail to block shots at the college level? Ask yourself that question. Ask it again and again. How many games a year does an elite program like Duke play against teams that are completely outmatched in size and talent? 10? 15? Yet the center with the freakish athleticism couldn't pile up huge block numbers in those games?


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    For anyone interested, there's a four-page thread about Miles on RealGM.

    RealGM • Why is there no love for Miles Plumlee?
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    "All I'm saying is, if he manages to get onto Utah or Indiana he might have a shot."
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    in the thread:

    "All I'm saying is, if he manages to get onto Utah or Indiana he might have a shot."
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    Call me crazy but I think Pendegraph is better than him, why do we need this guy again? hell even Fez is better, horrible pick.

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    Taking someone Kahn wanted isnt something to brag about clearly the worst GM at drafting in the NBA.

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    Taking someone Kahn wanted isnt something to brag about clearly the worst GM at drafting in the NBA.
    Point is multiple teams were interested in him at the end of the first round. (Like I said in my other post.)
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    It's pretty easily actually. You just have to remember that there were at least 10 better players on the board when he was picked and understand that they could have picked one of them and then bought a pick to get Plumlee in the mid 2nd round if they really wanted him that bad.
    10 better players according to who? You? Because when I look at this, http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...-s-draft-tiers , I only count 4 guys that were available in tiers higher than Plumlee. And that's coming from NBA execs and scouts, not travmil. Hey, I'm not a 'fan' of the pick, but I recognize what he can bring to the Pacers, which is value.

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    Well, there goes the notion that he could've been had in the second round, let alone all the way down at #56.

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    Miles Plumlee lol....I still can't believe it...

    If someone told you we left the draft with Orlando Johnson and Miles Plumlee, but didn't tell you the circumstance or who went where nor who was available, would we all be just as angry? His strengths and weaknesses aren't any different than Fab Melo to be honest. As PI**ED as I am that we didn't take anybody else lol (not even gonna name names) lets see if the dude can be a serviceable backup. With size and Athleticism like that, there's always a chance...

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    He needs more time. He only had 5 years at Duke. Another 5 years and he might be able to block more than one shot per game with that glittery 41-inch vertical jump. Well, those were college players. Maybe 0.5? Throw in 2-3 rebounds, 4-5 fouls, and call it a night, if he actually got off the bench. A poor man's Dexter Pittman.

    Everyone's favorite backup big man Jeff Foster averaged a whopping .1 more blocks than Plumlee in college. But by all means, continue the bashing.

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    He's a workout warrior, but is he actually athletic on the floor? How's he move laterally? How's he run the floor? The team clearly needed athleticism and on paper both guys add that, but I'm not going to be sold on Plumlee until he gives me reason to be. Sure I'll give him a chance and root for him, but I'm not just going to automatically like him now.
    Here is his profile from DraftExpress:

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Miles-Plumlee-5261/

    It took four years for Miles Plumlee to develop into the type of player that Duke fans expected him to be, and even then, he played around 20 minutes per game and scored in double figures just eight times all season. Now, as his career has come to a close, it is time to reevaluate Plumlee on the basis of what he showed throughout his time at Duke to determine whether he can find a niche at the NBA level.

    Purely from a physical standpoint, Plumlee looks the part of a NBA big man, measured just a hair under seven feet in shoes with a 7'0 wingspan and an outstanding frame. He bulked up to 247-pounds with allegedly only 5% body fat between his junior and senior seasons. While he's a bit mechanical in his movements, he's a very good athlete for his size--mobile, explosive around the basket, and runs the floor well.

    Though he had the reputation of playing facing the basket in high school, Plumlee struggled to develop his offensive game and never turned into a legitimate scoring option at Duke. He averaged a pedestrian 6.6 points per game, a similarly mediocre 12.5 per 40 minutes pace adjusted, while claiming just 8.6% of Duke's offensive possessions. He did, however, shoot a career high 61% from the field, being very efficient in the limited role he played offensively.

    Plumlee is still very raw around the basket, at his best catching and finishing. Though his footwork is underdeveloped, he looked comfortable executing a few basic-spin and up-and-under moves with his back to the basket and with his right hand. It's not looking very likely that Plumlee will ever develop into a reliable back-to-the-basket threat, however, especially considering his rawness as a senior and his general lack of development up to this point.

    Where Plumlee does thrive and where he can clearly contribute in the NBA is with his tenacity around the basket, particularly grabbing offensive rebounds and finishing. He was the third best offensive rebounder per 40 minutes pace adjusted in our database and on film, he looks to have a nose for the ball while playing a relentless and aggressive style of basketball. While he's primarily a positional rebounder, he has solid hands and the strength and athleticism to bring the ball straight up and to finish in traffic.

    Outside of his offensive rebounding prowess, the another interesting wrinkle to Plumlee's game are the brief flashes (just six attempts all season) that he has shown as a spot-up shooter from mid-range, particularly given his comfort operating out of the pick-and-roll. He already sets very good screens and rolls hard to the basket, which is an asset given the predominance of pick-and-roll sets in NBA playbooks. His shooting mechanics need significant work, as his shooting touch isn't great and he spots a slow release with a bit of a hitch, but if he is able to develop in this area, he would have a much better chance of carving out a role in an NBA rotation.

    Though his offensive game is still a work in a process, Plumlee improved as a defender during his senior year. His lateral quickness is above average for a player his size, and his increased strength and explosiveness could allow him to play solid post defense in a pinch coming off bench in the NBA. He did a much better job of staying out of foul trouble as a senior, averaging a career low 4.3 fouls per 40 minutes pace adjusted in increased minutes and while posting a career best 1.8 blocks per 40 minutes pace adjusted. It should also be mentioned that Plumlee is a good defensive rebounder, ranking 12th amongst college players in our top-100 rankings.

    So, is Plumlee an NBA-caliber center? That's something he'll have to convince teams of between now and June 28th. His outstanding physical profile, efficient style of play, rebounding prowess, and flashes of potential that he shows operating out of the pick-and-roll all represent areas where he could contribute on an NBA roster. The fact that he should be able to hold his own in the post on defense certainly doesn't hurt his stock, either.


    On the other hand, Plumlee turns 24 this September, has just an average feel for the game, and developed very slowly throughout his college career, leading many to question his mental toughness. His career has been marked by inconsistency and it took him a long time to get comfortable as a player, let alone a leader.

    What is clear is that, despite his unimpressive career numbers, Plumlee is an NBA prospect and could get some looks from teams drafting in the second round. If not, he's easily the type of player who could find himself on a team's roster this fall, as there just aren't that many big men around with his physical attributes and rebounding ability.
    After reading his profile on DraftExpress.....I am a little more reassured about what he can do. I don't like that he was picked at 26.....but understand why Bird picked him.....he loves having athletic, energy guys that rebound and are physical inside the paint in his Frontcourt. Basically, he's the love-child of Amundson and Jeff Foster.....an athletic and mobile Big Man that loves to rebound, hustle and provide energy but can't really block shots while being far more effective on one end of the court than the other.

    Another thing to consider.......I'm not going to assume that it was a given that the FO was going to be able to get a 2nd round pick or not when they were about to pick at 26.

    if this was the guy that Bird really wanted.....despite being projected to be a 2nd round pick.....assuming that the Pacers didn't know one way or another whether a 2nd round pick could be made available to them or not....I can see Bird looking at this as a "We only have 1 draft pick for now.....he's the guy I want....but I have no clue if I can get a 2nd round pick or not, so I will just pick him at the 26th spot" move.
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    Taking someone Kahn wanted isnt something to brag about clearly the worst GM at drafting in the NBA.

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    Everyone's favorite backup big man Jeff Foster averaged a whopping .1 more blocks than Plumlee in college.
    with Jeff putting up more than twice as many points, WAY more rebounds, more offensive rebounds, more steals, more assists... pretty much superior in every category other than FG%, since Miles had the good sense to not bother shooting what he could not dunk, because otherwise he would be benched
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    with Jeff putting up more than twice as many points, WAY more rebounds, more offensive rebounds, more steals, more assists... pretty much superior in every category other than FG%, since Miles had the good sense to not bother shooting what he could not dunk, because otherwise he would be benched
    and playing in the Southland Conference. Jus'sayin.

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    For anyone who doubts that Miles Plumlee was a legitimate first-round prospect:

    Miles Plumlee - Google News

    Take a look for yourselves. You have 1,300 articles from the past month alone to choose from.

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    Miles Plumlee's rising draft stock not a surprise to Krzyzewski | ACC Insider

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    The fact that a Plumlee is being projected as a late first round pick in next week’s NBA draft isn’t exactly a stretch. Scouts have long been enamored with the skills of middle brother Mason.

    But Mason isn’t in this draft. He took his name out of consideration back in April and will return for his senior season with the Blue Devils. Instead, the Plumlee whose stock is rising faster than the early summer temperatures in North Carolina is older brother Miles.

    The senior center, who has measured out at 6-foot-11½ in his shoes, was an unexpected star at a predraft group workout in Minnesota last month.

    He also excelled at another camp in Chicago and has done individual workouts with Chicago, Miami, Charlotte, Atlanta and several other teams with picks from No. 23-31 – fueling speculation that he may have played his way into the first round despite an inconsistent college career.

    It’s a development that has surprised just about everyone … with the possible exception of Plumlee and his former college coach.

    “Basically, he’ll be a complementary player, like most of the guys in the NBA,” Duke’s Mike Krzyzewski said last week. “At 6-11, 255-260, he’s an incredible athlete. I think he’s still growing as a player and he’ll only be asked to do things he does well.

    “He can run. He can play defense. He can rebound. He doesn’t have to be a great shooter. He’s an adequate shooter, but he can physically play right away. And he can do the things you would ask a complementary player to do.”

    Plumlee averaged only 6.6 points per game last season, but that stat is deceiving Krzyzewski said.

    “Kids in college get all caught up in how much they’re scoring or whatever. Very few guys are picked to score,” the Hall of Fame coach said of Plumlee, who averaged 7.1 rebounds and shot 61 percent from the floor as a senior. “Most of them will be picked on how they play and how they complement the key players. Miles has done really well in Chicago in his workouts and individual workouts.”

    The two-round draft is scheduled to take place next Thursday. Plumlee’s two younger brothers, Mason and Marshall, will both be players at Duke next season.
    7', 250 pounds, incredible athlete, 61% from the field, and one of the best per-minute rebounders in college basketball.

    Is he gonna be an All-Star? Probably not.

    Does he have all the tools to give us the same sort of things Jeff Foster has for the past 12 years, exactly the sort of thing this team was missing behind Big Roy? Absofreakin'lutely.

    He may not have the upside that Perry Jones, III has, but he fills a much more crucial role than the poor-man's-Tim-Thomas-with-gimpy-knees role.

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    One more thing....I'm waiting for Seth to basically chime in and suggest that if Bird wanted this type of Player that he just have DW pull some strings and try to acquire Jerome Jordan from the Knicks.
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    For anyone who doubts that Miles Plumlee was a legitimate first-round prospect:

    Miles Plumlee - Google News

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    Miles Plumlee's rising draft stock not a surprise to Krzyzewski | ACC Insider



    7', 250 pounds, incredible athlete, 61% from the field, and one of the best per-minute rebounders in college basketball.

    Is he gonna be an All-Star? Probably not.

    Does he have all the tools to give us the same sort of things Jeff Foster has for the past 12 years, exactly the sort of thing this team was missing behind Big Roy? Absofreakin'lutely.

    He may not have the upside that Perry Jones, III has, but he fills a much more crucial role than the poor-man's-Tim-Thomas-with-gimpy-knees role.
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    7', 250 pounds, incredible athlete, 61% from the field, and one of the best per-minute rebounders in college basketball.

    Is he gonna be an All-Star? Probably not.

    Does he have all the tools to give us the same sort of things Jeff Foster has for the past 12 years, exactly the sort of thing this team was missing behind Big Roy? Absofreakin'lutely.

    He may not have the upside that Perry Jones, III has, but he fills a much more crucial role than the poor-man's-Tim-Thomas-with-gimpy-knees role.
    I'm slowly coming to this conclusion as well. As KStat suggested....we have little choice but to live what we have and hope that he turns out to be a more athletic version of Jeff Foster.
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    and playing in the Southland Conference. Jus'sayin.
    Not to mention, most stats for a Plumlee or Foster type player do not matter. The Pacers aren't going to ask him to become Roy Hibbert. He's there to do the dirty work, the little things. Sure, he does need to rebound, but spg, bpg, ppg, are largely irrelevant considering the amount of minutes he'll play and what's expected from him.

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    I don't know why people are so mad about Miles. I saw his workout he killed. He's gonna b good for the pacers.
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    with Jeff putting up more than twice as many points, WAY more rebounds, more offensive rebounds, more steals, more assists... pretty much superior in every category other than FG%, since Miles had the good sense to not bother shooting what he could not dunk, because otherwise he would be benched
    Look at the numbers Orlando Johnson put up at U.C. Santa Barbara, numbers better than pretty much every SG drafted ahead of him. Now, ask yourself why those numbers aren't taken at face-value, and why such a productive player would slip to the second round.

    Small school. Inferior teammates. Small conference. Inferior quality of opposition. Inflated stats.

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    and playing in the Southland Conference. Jus'sayin.
    Miles Stifflee did shine in Duke's cupcake games vs. Belmont, UNC-Greensboro, Western Michigan, and Lehigh, with 4, 0, 7, and 4 points.
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    Miles Stifflee did shine in Duke's cupcake games vs. Belmont, UNC-Greensboro, Western Michigan, and Lehigh, with 4, 0, 7, and 4 points.
    Belmont was a solid squad.

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    Miles Stifflee did shine in Duke's cupcake games vs. Belmont, UNC-Greensboro, Western Michigan, and Lehigh, with 4, 0, 7, and 4 points.
    ... and Plumlee scored 16 against Zeller and UNC... Does Zeller suck b/c he allow Plumlee to score??

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    Miles Stifflee did shine in Duke's cupcake games vs. Belmont, UNC-Greensboro, Western Michigan, and Lehigh, with 4, 0, 7, and 4 points.
    Well shoot, I wonder what the Pacers, bulls, heat, bobcats, hawks, and several other teams must have been watching all this time? Because if he can only score that much against those teams, he'll never play a minute in the NBA. At least according to the resident scout, Slick Pinkham...

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