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    I know we were ALL stunned at first but I think this guy really deserves a chance. I truly believe he is Jeff Foster 2.0. He only played 20 min a game on a very talented Duke team while only claiming 8.6% (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Miles-Plumlee-5261/) of Dukes offensive possessions. So lets say Duke gets 2 possessions every minute. 20 x 2=40, 40 x 0.086. So he was involved on the offensive end on 3.44 possessions in his 20 min of playing time. He averaged 6 pts 7 rbs while barely getting the ball. He is a BIG body and has good athleticism for his size. He is an excellent rebounder especially on the offensive end. He could have really helped out against the Heat last postseason. When Hibbert went out of the game we go "Plumleed" on the glass. He will likely be our back up center and looks like a pretty good one to me. We play in the Orlando Summer League July 9th-13th and he will be there. We can see what this guys is capable of. He deserves a chance.

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    Very talented?? Duke's Fc was soft and really not very good just saying.

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    I dont hate the move.

    Look at it this way. I imagine Orlando Johnson is our new OJ Mayo/Crawford kind of guy (Johnson actually reminds me of Harden). We still have Collison to use in a trade as well as Hansbrough if we can find a good deal. We should still have cap room to find a FA or two. A

    And at least Plumlee has an NBA body.

    And try this. Just tell yourself that we drafted Johnson 26th and Plumlee 36th. Then it doesnt seem AS bad.
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    Very talented?? Duke's Fc was soft and really not very good just saying.
    I said their TEAM not the FRONTCOURT. Seth curry? Austin Rivers? Mason Plumlee? ranked 2nd in the NCAA tournament? yea they are terrible.

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    This team needs to add depth down low. We added a guy who knows how to win, has a decent motor, is athletic, and comes from a winning background. He's an NBA ready back up whose 7 foot and can jump out of the gym.

    At pick 26, how can you hate this move? This automatically makes our front court depth stronger.

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    At pick 26, how can you hate this move?
    It's pretty easily actually. You just have to remember that there were at least 10 better players on the board when he was picked and understand that they could have picked one of them and then bought a pick to get Plumlee in the mid 2nd round if they really wanted him that bad.

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    It's pretty easily actually. You just have to remember that there were at least 10 better players on the board when he was picked and understand that they could have picked one of them and then bought a pick to get Plumlee in the mid 2nd round if they really wanted him that bad.
    10 better players according to who? You? Because when I look at this, http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...-s-draft-tiers , I only count 4 guys that were available in tiers higher than Plumlee. And that's coming from NBA execs and scouts, not travmil. Hey, I'm not a 'fan' of the pick, but I recognize what he can bring to the Pacers, which is value.

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    This team needs to add depth down low. We added a guy who knows how to win, has a decent motor, is athletic, and comes from a winning background. He's an NBA ready back up whose 7 foot and can jump out of the gym.

    At pick 26, how can you hate this move? This automatically makes our front court depth stronger.
    See, I don't really buy that bolded crap. Do we not forget that Hansbrough was supposed to know how to win? He didn't seem to have any bright, glowing moments of winningness that really stand out in my mind. For a guy who kicked a bunch of *** in 4 years of college, and to be hyped as a guy who "knows how to win" and "has championship experience", he didn't really bring enough to the table when it came to our lack of a championship run.

    I'm not trying to burn on you directly, but I hate when people use those kinds of clichés as "heavy points" to describe players. If that was the case, there would have been more people rooting for the trade-up for Austin Rivers, because THAT kid knows how to win games (with his own buzzer-beating 3-point shots), and definitely has an "NBA winner's mentality" (oh, thanks, Dad). I don't know if that was just a fault on Hansbrough's part, by drinking so many 40's (IN A BAG, IN A BAR) that he drowned "Psycho T", or if he just didn't translate to the NBA, like I said he wouldn't.

    Regardless, I'm not as down on the Plumlee pick as I was, because he's a legit 7-footer, he's incredibly athletic, and he can do some things. And some stuff. He'll be a good addition. But don't think for a second that, just because he "knows how to win", he'll be an instant 10+ games won strictly on what he does. However (and I'll be saying this for a while), there is NO way he's worse than Hansbrough, so any positive is a positive.

    However, Orlando Johnson has the potential to be THAT guy. He might NOT know how to win (20-11 for UCSB isn't bad), so I'm sure he's got a craving to learn what it feels like to win more than 20 games (or go better than .550) in one season.

    Only moderately disappointing draft night. I can't wait to see how these guys perform. And I'm really wondering what's going to happen with Lance Stephenson. Can he, Hill, OJ, and Paul play in the same rotation? Can Lance play his position, except... at... PG?
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    He deserves a chance because like him or not, he's your draft pick and not rooting for him now is pointless.

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    He deserves a chance because like him or not, he's your draft pick and not rooting for him now is pointless.
    This. I hate the pick with a passion, but I hope he makes me eat every curse word I've said since his name was announced. Unfortunately Tyler never did.

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    He deserves a chance because like him or not, he's your draft pick and not rooting for him now is pointless.
    True, doesn't mean I have to love his game and to me he's got a LOT to prove he was worth his pick.
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    How is his work ethic?

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    He's a workout warrior, but is he actually athletic on the floor? How's he move laterally? How's he run the floor? The team clearly needed athleticism and on paper both guys add that, but I'm not going to be sold on Plumlee until he gives me reason to be. Sure I'll give him a chance and root for him, but I'm not just going to automatically like him now.

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    -He has an awesome vertical... yet he couldn't even block 1 shot a game?

    -He is about to be 24 years old

    -He averaged a whopping 6 points and 7 rebounds per game as a senior (career highs)

    -HE ONLY SCORED IN DOUBLE FIGURES 8 TIMES LAST YEAR, AND DUKE PLAYED MORE THAN 8 SCRUB TEAMS OUT OF CONFERENCE

    -He got benched, repeatedly

    -He can't shoot

    -When he got to the FT line, he made 63%

    -He has bad footwork

    -His post moves are terribly underdeveloped

    -He has bad hands, and has trouble catching entry passes to the post

    -Did I mention this insanely raw offensive player is almost 24?

    -Everyone else on the planet expected him to be a 2nd round pick



    The Pacers got a guy who can jump high, has muscles, and knows how to flop in hopes of drawing a charge. I will bet anyone on this board $1000 that Miles Plumlee never sees a 2nd contract in Indiana.
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    -Everyone else on the planet expected him to be a 2nd round pick
    That's why SI had him going to us in a mock draft.

    That's why teams at the end of the first round was interested in him - Boston, Chicago, Minnesota, Memphis, Golden State, Cleveland and Atlanta (I also saw a mock with Miami taking him.)

    Hicks Pacers Digest @HicksPDI was just told on good authority Rick Carlisle was talking up Plumlee to Bird, insisting he wouldn't be there in 2nd rnd. FWIW.
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    He's a workout warrior, but is he actually athletic on the floor? How's he move laterally? How's he run the floor? The team clearly needed athleticism and on paper both guys add that, but I'm not going to be sold on Plumlee until he gives me reason to be. Sure I'll give him a chance and root for him, but I'm not just going to automatically like him now.
    Here is his profile from DraftExpress:

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Miles-Plumlee-5261/

    It took four years for Miles Plumlee to develop into the type of player that Duke fans expected him to be, and even then, he played around 20 minutes per game and scored in double figures just eight times all season. Now, as his career has come to a close, it is time to reevaluate Plumlee on the basis of what he showed throughout his time at Duke to determine whether he can find a niche at the NBA level.

    Purely from a physical standpoint, Plumlee looks the part of a NBA big man, measured just a hair under seven feet in shoes with a 7'0 wingspan and an outstanding frame. He bulked up to 247-pounds with allegedly only 5% body fat between his junior and senior seasons. While he's a bit mechanical in his movements, he's a very good athlete for his size--mobile, explosive around the basket, and runs the floor well.

    Though he had the reputation of playing facing the basket in high school, Plumlee struggled to develop his offensive game and never turned into a legitimate scoring option at Duke. He averaged a pedestrian 6.6 points per game, a similarly mediocre 12.5 per 40 minutes pace adjusted, while claiming just 8.6% of Duke's offensive possessions. He did, however, shoot a career high 61% from the field, being very efficient in the limited role he played offensively.

    Plumlee is still very raw around the basket, at his best catching and finishing. Though his footwork is underdeveloped, he looked comfortable executing a few basic-spin and up-and-under moves with his back to the basket and with his right hand. It's not looking very likely that Plumlee will ever develop into a reliable back-to-the-basket threat, however, especially considering his rawness as a senior and his general lack of development up to this point.

    Where Plumlee does thrive and where he can clearly contribute in the NBA is with his tenacity around the basket, particularly grabbing offensive rebounds and finishing. He was the third best offensive rebounder per 40 minutes pace adjusted in our database and on film, he looks to have a nose for the ball while playing a relentless and aggressive style of basketball. While he's primarily a positional rebounder, he has solid hands and the strength and athleticism to bring the ball straight up and to finish in traffic.

    Outside of his offensive rebounding prowess, the another interesting wrinkle to Plumlee's game are the brief flashes (just six attempts all season) that he has shown as a spot-up shooter from mid-range, particularly given his comfort operating out of the pick-and-roll. He already sets very good screens and rolls hard to the basket, which is an asset given the predominance of pick-and-roll sets in NBA playbooks. His shooting mechanics need significant work, as his shooting touch isn't great and he spots a slow release with a bit of a hitch, but if he is able to develop in this area, he would have a much better chance of carving out a role in an NBA rotation.

    Though his offensive game is still a work in a process, Plumlee improved as a defender during his senior year. His lateral quickness is above average for a player his size, and his increased strength and explosiveness could allow him to play solid post defense in a pinch coming off bench in the NBA. He did a much better job of staying out of foul trouble as a senior, averaging a career low 4.3 fouls per 40 minutes pace adjusted in increased minutes and while posting a career best 1.8 blocks per 40 minutes pace adjusted. It should also be mentioned that Plumlee is a good defensive rebounder, ranking 12th amongst college players in our top-100 rankings.

    So, is Plumlee an NBA-caliber center? That's something he'll have to convince teams of between now and June 28th. His outstanding physical profile, efficient style of play, rebounding prowess, and flashes of potential that he shows operating out of the pick-and-roll all represent areas where he could contribute on an NBA roster. The fact that he should be able to hold his own in the post on defense certainly doesn't hurt his stock, either.


    On the other hand, Plumlee turns 24 this September, has just an average feel for the game, and developed very slowly throughout his college career, leading many to question his mental toughness. His career has been marked by inconsistency and it took him a long time to get comfortable as a player, let alone a leader.

    What is clear is that, despite his unimpressive career numbers, Plumlee is an NBA prospect and could get some looks from teams drafting in the second round. If not, he's easily the type of player who could find himself on a team's roster this fall, as there just aren't that many big men around with his physical attributes and rebounding ability.
    After reading his profile on DraftExpress.....I am a little more reassured about what he can do. I don't like that he was picked at 26.....but understand why Bird picked him.....he loves having athletic, energy guys that rebound and are physical inside the paint in his Frontcourt. Basically, he's the love-child of Amundson and Jeff Foster.....an athletic and mobile Big Man that loves to rebound, hustle and provide energy but can't really block shots while being far more effective on one end of the court than the other.

    Another thing to consider.......I'm not going to assume that it was a given that the FO was going to be able to get a 2nd round pick or not when they were about to pick at 26.

    if this was the guy that Bird really wanted.....despite being projected to be a 2nd round pick.....assuming that the Pacers didn't know one way or another whether a 2nd round pick could be made available to them or not....I can see Bird looking at this as a "We only have 1 draft pick for now.....he's the guy I want....but I have no clue if I can get a 2nd round pick or not, so I will just pick him at the 26th spot" move.
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    He needs more time. He only had 5 years at Duke. Another 5 years and he might be able to block more than one shot per game with that glittery 41-inch vertical jump. Well, those were college players. Maybe 0.5? Throw in 2-3 rebounds, 4-5 fouls, and call it a night, if he actually got off the bench. A poor man's Dexter Pittman.
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    He needs more time. He only had 5 years at Duke. Another 5 years and he might be able to block more than one shot per game with that glittery 41-inch vertical jump. Well, those were college players. Maybe 0.5? Throw in 2-3 rebounds, 4-5 fouls, and call it a night, if he actually got off the bench. A poor man's Dexter Pittman.

    Everyone's favorite backup big man Jeff Foster averaged a whopping .1 more blocks than Plumlee in college. But by all means, continue the bashing.

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    Everyone's favorite backup big man Jeff Foster averaged a whopping .1 more blocks than Plumlee in college.
    with Jeff putting up more than twice as many points, WAY more rebounds, more offensive rebounds, more steals, more assists... pretty much superior in every category other than FG%, since Miles had the good sense to not bother shooting what he could not dunk, because otherwise he would be benched
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    with Jeff putting up more than twice as many points, WAY more rebounds, more offensive rebounds, more steals, more assists... pretty much superior in every category other than FG%, since Miles had the good sense to not bother shooting what he could not dunk, because otherwise he would be benched
    and playing in the Southland Conference. Jus'sayin.

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    and playing in the Southland Conference. Jus'sayin.
    Not to mention, most stats for a Plumlee or Foster type player do not matter. The Pacers aren't going to ask him to become Roy Hibbert. He's there to do the dirty work, the little things. Sure, he does need to rebound, but spg, bpg, ppg, are largely irrelevant considering the amount of minutes he'll play and what's expected from him.

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    and playing in the Southland Conference. Jus'sayin.
    Miles Stifflee did shine in Duke's cupcake games vs. Belmont, UNC-Greensboro, Western Michigan, and Lehigh, with 4, 0, 7, and 4 points.
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    with Jeff putting up more than twice as many points, WAY more rebounds, more offensive rebounds, more steals, more assists... pretty much superior in every category other than FG%, since Miles had the good sense to not bother shooting what he could not dunk, because otherwise he would be benched
    Look at the numbers Orlando Johnson put up at U.C. Santa Barbara, numbers better than pretty much every SG drafted ahead of him. Now, ask yourself why those numbers aren't taken at face-value, and why such a productive player would slip to the second round.

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    He only played 20 min a game on a very talented Duke team

    So talented that they faceplanted in the first round to Lehigh.
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