I just read the specs on the guy, incredibly athletic near 7 footer who has tremendous rebounding ability (has posted a 22 rebound game in college) no offensive skills. Gee, do you think we might be trying to replace Jeff Foster? Gee, do you think we want a cheap option at backup center (because back up centers get way overpaid in free agency) gee could this be a frugal/prudent move that will free up free agent dollars for other more important positions (resigning Hill and Hibbert, possibly an important signing (Nash?) This forum is absurd. There are plenty of things going on here that make sense.
Everyone is mad cause we passed on some supposedly elite talent? So elite that he dropped all the way to 26? Give me a break. These people get paid to do this for a reason, let them do their jobs.
"As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."
wait, people are not renewing the season tickets because of a draft pick? holy hell batman, talk about overreacting.
Bird should breath a sigh of relief. This thread usurped our first pick as the stupidest thing ive heard today.
"He's a strong physical presence out there on both ends of the court. He's a man. There's a reason he was an All-Star." -- Vogel on David West
@ 6-11 I am would be making PJ3 my back up PF on day 1. Instead we get a back up center who didn't even play more than 20 mins a game in college. GO get the guy with talent.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
This thread is absolutely ridiculous.
We had the 26th pick in the draft, EXPECTING huge moves is preposterous from that position, and furthermore it will look even more ridiculous if the reason we didn't make a huge move tonight is because we have something else lined up for the free agency period.
Even if we don't make a gigantic move this thread is STILL ridiculous, we had the 5th best record in the NBA last season, Frank Vogel is getting his first even training camp, Hibbert is likely to come back improved like he does every season, Paul George is primed to make a huge leap, We have the inside track to be the second seed in the Eastern Conference next season, and have every opportunity to make the conference finals and threaten Miami.
If this isn't enough to excite you for next season because we played the fricking 26th pick in the Draft safe then you are either incredibly flaky, or forgot the numerous other times when things WEREN'T looking bright, like things are now... SMH.
Obviously I join the rest of you in not being thrilled with this draft pick, however it is simply because everybody who was with me kept telling me that there were several other players better which I would have no idea of because I do not watch college ball at all.
But even so I don't think it's the end of the world kind of event. It's not a good pick and it might even be a miserable failure of a pick but at the 26th pick I can't see any player make or break you and if that is the case you are either really bad or that player must be very good.
Either way let's just hope that this and re-signing our own free agents is not the answer for this off season, because that IMO would be a terrible mistake.
Also it's likely that Bird saw the Backup C spot as a top priority, one that is actually feasible to maybe fill at 26, and then they bought Orlandon Johnson who has very high potential, and isn't injured like Perry Jones is (who was in no universe a sure thing even before the injury problems arose, his stock had been dropping like a rock ever since the earliest mock drafts.)
Holiday regressed in his second season, Hans isn't very good and I would have liked a Holiday pick, but he isn't some elite game changer, and Perry Jones sure as heck isn't even close to being one. If you are going to harp on Tyler then simply looking at Birds' record on getting great returns without top picks far outshadows the Tyler mistep. All-Star Center at 17 anyone? Former All-Star small forward at 17? An elite talent from his draft at 10? Servicable players and high upside players from late in the draft (Price, Stephenson). His other mistake in Williams came as a result of swinging for the fences, instead of playing it conservatively, which is supposedly what his board is clamoring for...
I trust Bird, I love that we acquired Johnson, who looks to be a potential steal and has great tools, acquiring him lessens the hurt of drafting a guy like plumlee, especially considering backup center is one of our biggest needs, and Plumlee has the chance to be cheap and serviceable, which, in an era where even mediocre big men are coveted and payed accordingly may be a bigger asset than many here presume.
It's the 26th pick.
Also Paul George says hello, Shawne Williams says hello, Lance Says Hello, James White... and supporting this we have... Tyler Hansbrough and a 26th pick, which almost never pan out anyway, meaning it is arguably wiser to go for someone that is likely to actually make the rotation, and lest we forget we DID buy a project player that looks like he has the talent to be a steal named Orlando Johnson.
It's delusional to expect some franchise changing move on draft night with the 26th pick of all ones. Will people be eating crow if we sign Goran Dragic soon into free agency, or trade for Kyle lowry (who was shopped for higher picks but didn't net any, and who is out the door) or heck even a move towards EG as longshot as it is.
If you actually look at who Bird has tended to draft they are mostly athletic unexperienced players with upside, just because he drafted Hansbrough once, and you don't like the 26th pick doesn't mean it's OK to fabricate evidence to support your prefered argument.
Also Perry Jones is incredibly overrated and already has severe knee problems to boot, I may have preferred him over plumlee, but come on, neither are likely to be huge contributers, but the chances of plumlee carving out a minor role in the rotation is greater than Perry Jones being anything resembling a real difference maker.
Lastly people, please stop and think before the forums becomes infested with irrational reactionary tripe like this one, and detracts from real serious discussion.
Free Agency is about to start people, and suddenly the sky is falling because we didn't completely just get a game changer armed with a very, very late first round pick? I'll be dissapointed too if we don't get at least one above average starting point guard who knows how to pass. Dragic is a real possibility, Lowry is a real possibility, Andre Miller would greatly improve our team, Signing Calderon for pennies if he were to be amnestied would make us much better, Steve Nash isn't out of the picture yet. Resigning Hibbert and getting any point guard near the caliber of those just listed is an absolute win and sets us up very, very well for next year and beyond.
So yes, if we don't enter next season with a good starting point guard, who has the size to feed the post well and having re-signed Roy I will be disappointed. However it is nothing but really, really, really silly to post embarrassing kneejerk when so much is going well for the Pacers, who just came off of our best season in almost a decade and who still have significant upside.
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you know what the most annoying thing is? it's not now, it's later next season whenever PJ3 puts up a game with good numbers people will be making threads and saying I TOLD YOU SO
It's kind of funny that this thread has indirectly whipping on Tyler Hansbrough. Well Tyler struggled this season big time, sure. But he's not a bust that many here are making him out to be. At least he's still drawing more fouls and making more free throws than most of his teammates for a non-starter.
As for Miles, it is said he impressed the Pacers in workouts. So he'll do well for us I think. You never know how well he'll do until the upcoming season starts. He has the athleticism and the body and with influences like Foster and Hibbert, he might be able to improve and use his natural skills to be a defensive stopper and elite rebounder in the NBA. If we can add a skilled passer in the lineup then he'll be the main recipient of alley-oop passes ala DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler.
As for not drafting PJ3, well 25 other teams passed on him before the Pacers drafted. And then still slipped after that. For a player relying heavily on athleticism, a serious flag on the knee is pretty much a concern. So you never know how much will he still remain as good as he is being projected by his fans here. Well I'm also disappointed in not drafting him simply because I can see other teams wanting him and we could've package him for a lower pick or two. But I guess drafting Miles and then OJ is not that bad of a draft overall. Let's evaluate once we got to see them play some games in the NBA.
Although this was a very puzzling pick I am not going jump off the deep end like many of the posters on here. The last 3 times we picked late in the first round we got David Harrison, Primoz Brezec, and Vonteego Cummings. Late first round picks are a crap shoot. Would I have rather had them pick PJ3, sure, but he dropped for a reason.
We also might have found a guy in the second round who looks like he could crack our rotation. Let's let this play out before everyone rushes to judgement and jump off of the boat.
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This quote from Frank Vogel explains a lot
Our first scouting meeting, I jokingly asked, 'Are there any Jeff Fosters in the draft?' and four of our scouts said simultaneously, 'Miles Plumlee.' We've had our eye on him ever since. I know he's been a personal favorite of Larry Bird. We had a hunch about him. And his personal workout blew us away.''