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    just an observation, but most of the suicide squad on PD seem to be of the newer generation of posters (not just tonight, but in general)

    calm down folks and the place will be a much better one
    Not true at all. Some of us remember when the Pacers had some guts.

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    I was a season ticket holder from 1985-2005, so I wouldn't necessarily classify myself as a "new" fan. And like it or not, tonight is the reason I'm not upgrading. I'm not asking for a game-changer at 26. But at the bare minimum it would be nice to take one of the dozen other better athletes (at least) still on the board that fill a bigger need.
    you were a season ticket holder 1985, and one mediocre draft pick is going to make you not going to come to games? sigh

    why didnt you leave during much bigger mistakes that this franchise has made?

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    We don't know that. None of these players have ever played an NBA game. It is not a fact, not at all. I'm willing to trust Bird and our scouts
    That's what everyone said when bird passed on Holiday for Tyler. We still need an upgrade at PG and at backup PF.

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    I just read the specs on the guy, incredibly athletic near 7 footer who has tremendous rebounding ability (has posted a 22 rebound game in college) no offensive skills. Gee, do you think we might be trying to replace Jeff Foster? Gee, do you think we want a cheap option at backup center (because back up centers get way overpaid in free agency) gee could this be a frugal/prudent move that will free up free agent dollars for other more important positions (resigning Hill and Hibbert, possibly an important signing (Nash?) This forum is absurd. There are plenty of things going on here that make sense.

    Everyone is mad cause we passed on some supposedly elite talent? So elite that he dropped all the way to 26? Give me a break. These people get paid to do this for a reason, let them do their jobs.
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    wait, people are not renewing the season tickets because of a draft pick? holy hell batman, talk about overreacting.

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    I just read the specs on the guy, incredibly athletic near 7 footer who has tremendous rebounding ability (has posted a 22 rebound game in college) no offensive skills. Gee, do you think we might be trying to replace Jeff Foster? Gee, do you think we want a cheap option at backup center (because back up centers get way overpaid in free agency) gee could this be a frugal/prudent move that will free up free agent dollars for other more important positions (resigning Hill and Hibbert, possibly an important signing (Nash?) This forum is absurd. There are plenty of things going on here that make sense.

    Everyone is mad cause we passed on some supposedly elite talent? So elite that he dropped all the way to 26? Give me a break. These people get paid to do this for a reason, let them do their jobs.
    Gee I sure hope we are saving dollars to pay for a 40 year old point guard.

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    Bird should breath a sigh of relief. This thread usurped our first pick as the stupidest thing ive heard today.
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    That's what everyone said when bird passed on Holiday for Tyler. We still need an upgrade at PG and at backup PF.
    THIS! THis is what is at the heart of why people are blowing up over this pick. Larry Bird consistently takes mediocre 4 year college players over players that have real talent.

    @ 6-11 I am would be making PJ3 my back up PF on day 1. Instead we get a back up center who didn't even play more than 20 mins a game in college. GO get the guy with talent.
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    This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

    We had the 26th pick in the draft, EXPECTING huge moves is preposterous from that position, and furthermore it will look even more ridiculous if the reason we didn't make a huge move tonight is because we have something else lined up for the free agency period.

    Even if we don't make a gigantic move this thread is STILL ridiculous, we had the 5th best record in the NBA last season, Frank Vogel is getting his first even training camp, Hibbert is likely to come back improved like he does every season, Paul George is primed to make a huge leap, We have the inside track to be the second seed in the Eastern Conference next season, and have every opportunity to make the conference finals and threaten Miami.

    If this isn't enough to excite you for next season because we played the fricking 26th pick in the Draft safe then you are either incredibly flaky, or forgot the numerous other times when things WEREN'T looking bright, like things are now... SMH.

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    Obviously I join the rest of you in not being thrilled with this draft pick, however it is simply because everybody who was with me kept telling me that there were several other players better which I would have no idea of because I do not watch college ball at all.

    But even so I don't think it's the end of the world kind of event. It's not a good pick and it might even be a miserable failure of a pick but at the 26th pick I can't see any player make or break you and if that is the case you are either really bad or that player must be very good.

    Either way let's just hope that this and re-signing our own free agents is not the answer for this off season, because that IMO would be a terrible mistake.


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    Well, my father-in-law, two brothers-in-law and I were seriously considering upgrading back up to season tickets from our 11-game mini-plans and officially decided against it during our draft party tonight. So it impacted the attendance by four people.
    If people are seriously kneejerky enough to do that then the Pacers are better off pursuing fans that they can actually please and won't make a decision like that over the 26th pick in the draft...

    Also it's likely that Bird saw the Backup C spot as a top priority, one that is actually feasible to maybe fill at 26, and then they bought Orlandon Johnson who has very high potential, and isn't injured like Perry Jones is (who was in no universe a sure thing even before the injury problems arose, his stock had been dropping like a rock ever since the earliest mock drafts.)

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    Default Re: These are the kind of things that keep that arena empty.

    Holiday regressed in his second season, Hans isn't very good and I would have liked a Holiday pick, but he isn't some elite game changer, and Perry Jones sure as heck isn't even close to being one. If you are going to harp on Tyler then simply looking at Birds' record on getting great returns without top picks far outshadows the Tyler mistep. All-Star Center at 17 anyone? Former All-Star small forward at 17? An elite talent from his draft at 10? Servicable players and high upside players from late in the draft (Price, Stephenson). His other mistake in Williams came as a result of swinging for the fences, instead of playing it conservatively, which is supposedly what his board is clamoring for...

    I trust Bird, I love that we acquired Johnson, who looks to be a potential steal and has great tools, acquiring him lessens the hurt of drafting a guy like plumlee, especially considering backup center is one of our biggest needs, and Plumlee has the chance to be cheap and serviceable, which, in an era where even mediocre big men are coveted and payed accordingly may be a bigger asset than many here presume.

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    THIS! THis is what is at the heart of why people are blowing up over this pick. Larry Bird consistently takes mediocre 4 year college players over players that have real talent.

    @ 6-11 I am would be making PJ3 my back up PF on day 1. Instead we get a back up center who didn't even play more than 20 mins a game in college. GO get the guy with talent.
    It's the 26th pick.

    Also Paul George says hello, Shawne Williams says hello, Lance Says Hello, James White... and supporting this we have... Tyler Hansbrough and a 26th pick, which almost never pan out anyway, meaning it is arguably wiser to go for someone that is likely to actually make the rotation, and lest we forget we DID buy a project player that looks like he has the talent to be a steal named Orlando Johnson.

    It's delusional to expect some franchise changing move on draft night with the 26th pick of all ones. Will people be eating crow if we sign Goran Dragic soon into free agency, or trade for Kyle lowry (who was shopped for higher picks but didn't net any, and who is out the door) or heck even a move towards EG as longshot as it is.

    If you actually look at who Bird has tended to draft they are mostly athletic unexperienced players with upside, just because he drafted Hansbrough once, and you don't like the 26th pick doesn't mean it's OK to fabricate evidence to support your prefered argument.

    Also Perry Jones is incredibly overrated and already has severe knee problems to boot, I may have preferred him over plumlee, but come on, neither are likely to be huge contributers, but the chances of plumlee carving out a minor role in the rotation is greater than Perry Jones being anything resembling a real difference maker.

    Lastly people, please stop and think before the forums becomes infested with irrational reactionary tripe like this one, and detracts from real serious discussion.

    Free Agency is about to start people, and suddenly the sky is falling because we didn't completely just get a game changer armed with a very, very late first round pick? I'll be dissapointed too if we don't get at least one above average starting point guard who knows how to pass. Dragic is a real possibility, Lowry is a real possibility, Andre Miller would greatly improve our team, Signing Calderon for pennies if he were to be amnestied would make us much better, Steve Nash isn't out of the picture yet. Resigning Hibbert and getting any point guard near the caliber of those just listed is an absolute win and sets us up very, very well for next year and beyond.

    So yes, if we don't enter next season with a good starting point guard, who has the size to feed the post well and having re-signed Roy I will be disappointed. However it is nothing but really, really, really silly to post embarrassing kneejerk when so much is going well for the Pacers, who just came off of our best season in almost a decade and who still have significant upside.
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    That's what everyone said when bird passed on Holiday for Tyler. We still need an upgrade at PG and at backup PF.
    And Jrue has yet to prove that he is a team's PG of the future.

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    I just read the specs on the guy, incredibly athletic near 7 footer who has tremendous rebounding ability (has posted a 22 rebound game in college) no offensive skills. Gee, do you think we might be trying to replace Jeff Foster? Gee, do you think we want a cheap option at backup center (because back up centers get way overpaid in free agency) gee could this be a frugal/prudent move that will free up free agent dollars for other more important positions (resigning Hill and Hibbert, possibly an important signing (Nash?) This forum is absurd. There are plenty of things going on here that make sense.

    Everyone is mad cause we passed on some supposedly elite talent? So elite that he dropped all the way to 26? Give me a break. These people get paid to do this for a reason, let them do their jobs.
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    Well, my father-in-law, two brothers-in-law and I were seriously considering upgrading back up to season tickets from our 11-game mini-plans and officially decided against it during our draft party tonight. So it impacted the attendance by four people.
    Oh Lord... the 26th pick in "a NBA DRAFT" dictates your decision whether or not to "upgrade"..


    At "YOUR" draft party.... LOL.... A draft party for NBA??? OK...

    and....

    Oh Well............

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    This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

    We had the 26th pick in the draft, EXPECTING huge moves is preposterous from that position, and furthermore it will look even more ridiculous if the reason we didn't make a huge move tonight is because we have something else lined up for the free agency period.

    Even if we don't make a gigantic move this thread is STILL ridiculous, we had the 5th best record in the NBA last season, Frank Vogel is getting his first even training camp, Hibbert is likely to come back improved like he does every season, Paul George is primed to make a huge leap, We have the inside track to be the second seed in the Eastern Conference next season, and have every opportunity to make the conference finals and threaten Miami.

    If this isn't enough to excite you for next season because we played the fricking 26th pick in the Draft safe then you are either incredibly flaky, or forgot the numerous other times when things WEREN'T looking bright, like things are now... SMH.

    Right ON.....

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    you know what the most annoying thing is? it's not now, it's later next season whenever PJ3 puts up a game with good numbers people will be making threads and saying I TOLD YOU SO

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    It's kind of funny that this thread has indirectly whipping on Tyler Hansbrough. Well Tyler struggled this season big time, sure. But he's not a bust that many here are making him out to be. At least he's still drawing more fouls and making more free throws than most of his teammates for a non-starter.

    As for Miles, it is said he impressed the Pacers in workouts. So he'll do well for us I think. You never know how well he'll do until the upcoming season starts. He has the athleticism and the body and with influences like Foster and Hibbert, he might be able to improve and use his natural skills to be a defensive stopper and elite rebounder in the NBA. If we can add a skilled passer in the lineup then he'll be the main recipient of alley-oop passes ala DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler.

    As for not drafting PJ3, well 25 other teams passed on him before the Pacers drafted. And then still slipped after that. For a player relying heavily on athleticism, a serious flag on the knee is pretty much a concern. So you never know how much will he still remain as good as he is being projected by his fans here. Well I'm also disappointed in not drafting him simply because I can see other teams wanting him and we could've package him for a lower pick or two. But I guess drafting Miles and then OJ is not that bad of a draft overall. Let's evaluate once we got to see them play some games in the NBA.

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    It's kind of funny that this thread has indirectly whipping on Tyler Hansbrough. Well Tyler struggled this season big time, sure. But he's not a bust that many here are making him out to be. At least he's still drawing more fouls and making more free throws than most of his teammates for a non-starter.

    As for Miles, it is said he impressed the Pacers in workouts. So he'll do well for us I think. You never know how well he'll do until the upcoming season starts. He has the athleticism and the body and with influences like Foster and Hibbert, he might be able to improve and use his natural skills to be a defensive stopper and elite rebounder in the NBA. If we can add a skilled passer in the lineup then he'll be the main recipient of alley-oop passes ala DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler.

    As for not drafting PJ3, well 25 other teams passed on him before the Pacers drafted. And then still slipped after that. For a player relying heavily on athleticism, a serious flag on the knee is pretty much a concern. So you never know how much will he still remain as good as he is being projected by his fans here. Well I'm also disappointed in not drafting him simply because I can see other teams wanting him and we could've package him for a lower pick or two. But I guess drafting Miles and then OJ is not that bad of a draft overall. Let's evaluate once we got to see them play some games in the NBA.



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    THIS! THis is what is at the heart of why people are blowing up over this pick. Larry Bird consistently takes mediocre 4 year college players over players that have real talent.
    Bird likes taking 4 year players because its a strategy that's worked well for us. Hello Granger, hello Hibbert? Hans wasn't a great pick, I think most of us realize it now (certainly I'd pick someone else in a do-over, probably Lawson, another 4 year player ha). More importantly, Bird has shown he's willing to take younger players (Paul G, Lance) when warranted. I don't like the Plumlee pick either, but in the notoriusly chancy business of drafting, I think Bird has earned the benefit of the doubt with his choices.

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    Although this was a very puzzling pick I am not going jump off the deep end like many of the posters on here. The last 3 times we picked late in the first round we got David Harrison, Primoz Brezec, and Vonteego Cummings. Late first round picks are a crap shoot. Would I have rather had them pick PJ3, sure, but he dropped for a reason.
    We also might have found a guy in the second round who looks like he could crack our rotation. Let's let this play out before everyone rushes to judgement and jump off of the boat.
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    . Let's evaluate once we got to see them play some games in the NBA.
    The whole NBA draft should boil down to this.

    I know nothing about him, but if he is anything like Jeff Foster, then I'm happy.
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    Bird likes taking 4 year players because its a strategy that's worked well for us. Hello Granger, hello Hibbert? Hans wasn't a great pick, I think most of us realize it now (certainly I'd pick someone else in a do-over, probably Lawson, another 4 year player ha). More importantly, Bird has shown he's willing to take younger players (Paul G, Lance) when warranted. I don't like the Plumlee pick either, but in the notoriusly chancy business of drafting, I think Bird has earned the benefit of the doubt with his choices.
    Ty Lawson wasn't a 4 year player

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    This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

    We had the 26th pick in the draft, EXPECTING huge moves is preposterous from that position, and furthermore it will look even more ridiculous if the reason we didn't make a huge move tonight is because we have something else lined up for the free agency period.

    Even if we don't make a gigantic move this thread is STILL ridiculous, we had the 5th best record in the NBA last season, Frank Vogel is getting his first even training camp, Hibbert is likely to come back improved like he does every season, Paul George is primed to make a huge leap, We have the inside track to be the second seed in the Eastern Conference next season, and have every opportunity to make the conference finals and threaten Miami.

    If this isn't enough to excite you for next season because we played the fricking 26th pick in the Draft safe then you are either incredibly flaky, or forgot the numerous other times when things WEREN'T looking bright, like things are now... SMH.
    Your thought process is what is rediculous. We didn't have to make a gigantic move. It was right there for the taking. You think for 1 minute Plumlee is going to defend any of Miami's big three at the rim. He is not a shot blocker, is not a scorer, is not a perimeter defender. Could not improve enough in 5 years under one of the best coaches of all time to even get major minutes on his college team. A 7 footer with a 40 inch verticle could play with his head above the rim so keep drinking the cool aid. Dreiling, Gray, Brezec, Sundov, here we go again.

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    This quote from Frank Vogel explains a lot

    http://www.indystar.com/article/20120629/SPORTS15/206290324/Bob-Kravitz-Pacers-Miles-Plumlee-not-last-memory-Larry-Bird-most-expected


    Our first scouting meeting, I jokingly asked, 'Are there any Jeff Fosters in the draft?' and four of our scouts said simultaneously, 'Miles Plumlee.' We've had our eye on him ever since. I know he's been a personal favorite of Larry Bird. We had a hunch about him. And his personal workout blew us away.''

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