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  • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

    Pacers to Introduce Miles Plumlee at Press Conference
    The Pacers will introduce Miles Plumlee at an introductory press conference on Friday, June 29th at 1:00 PM. Stay tuned to this URL for the live feed.

    Pacers.com will also be following Plumlee all throughout his first day at Bankers Life Fieldhouse, including a live chat scheduled in the afternoon after the press conference (time TBD). No date yet has been set for a press conference with Orlando Johnson.
    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/miles...ess-conference

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    • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
      There were "many better options" for a proven scorer for the bench still on the board? Okay....
      You know which players have proven they were better options for scoring still on the board? EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.

      Looking on the bright side of things, sure Plumlee is at least 2 years older than every one of these players as well, but he also has experience coming off the bench. So maybe he hasn't proven he can score, but he has proven he isn't a starter. So he's got that going for him.

      26. Miles Plumlee - 6.6 points per game
      27. Arnett Moultrie - 16.4 points per game
      28. Perry Jones - 13.5 points per game
      29. Marquis Teague - 10.0 points per game
      30. Festus Ezeli - 10.1 points per game
      31. Jeff Taylor - 16.1 points per game
      32. European guy
      33. Bernard James - 10.8 points per game
      34. Jae Crowder - 17.5 points per game
      35. Draymond Green - 16.2 points per game
      36. Orlando Johnson - 19.7 points per game
      37. Quincy Acy - 12.0 points per game
      38. Quincy Miller - 10.6 points per game
      39. Khris Middleton - 13.2 points per game
      40. Will Barton - 18.0 points per game
      41. Tyshawn Taylor - 16.6 points per game
      42. Doron Lamb - 13.7 points per game
      43. Mike Scott - 18.0 points per game
      44. Kim English - 14.5 points per game
      45. Justin Hamilton - 12.9 points per game
      46. Darius Miller - 9.9 points per game
      47. Kevin Murphy - 20.6 points per game
      48. European guy
      49. Kyle O'Quinn - 15.9 points per game
      50. European guy
      51. Kris Joseph - 13.4 points per game
      52. European guy
      53. European guy
      54. European guy
      55. Darius Johnson-Odom - 18.3 points per game
      56. European guy
      57. European guy
      58. Robbie Hummel - 16.4 points per game
      59. Marcus Denmon - 17.7 points per game
      60. Robert Sacre - 11.6 points per game

      Should we discuss the undrafted players as well?

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      • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

        I guess I didn't realize that if you scored in college, it means you scored in the NBA. That's why Steve Alford was such a great NBA'er, huh.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

          Pumlee wasn't brought in to score, thats not a good measure. There are reason, many, to criticize this pick, not sure lack of scoring is one of them. Although you'd think with the clanks being produced by Austin Rivers, you'd think he'd have better scoring just from put backs.

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            For those who don't like Plum, who did you want at backup and how much would you pay them?
            Fesenko. Might end up being cheaper than Plumlee. I am disappointed in this pick mostly because I really believe in Fesenko. I think we could have afforded to take the risks on PJ III to develop and mature behind Granger/West, whoever. Im just envisioning a few years from now that we end up regretting taking Plumlee as opposed to one of the dozen players drafted after him.

            I see Plumlee as a poor man's Ryan Hollins.
            https://soundcloud.com/geoclipse

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            • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

              Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
              You know which players have proven they were better options for scoring still on the board? EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.

              Looking on the bright side of things, sure Plumlee is at least 2 years older than every one of these players as well, but he also has experience coming off the bench. So maybe he hasn't proven he can score, but he has proven he isn't a starter. So he's got that going for him.

              26. Miles Plumlee - 6.6 points per game
              27. Arnett Moultrie - 16.4 points per game
              28. Perry Jones - 13.5 points per game
              29. Marquis Teague - 10.0 points per game
              30. Festus Ezeli - 10.1 points per game
              31. Jeff Taylor - 16.1 points per game
              32. European guy
              33. Bernard James - 10.8 points per game
              34. Jae Crowder - 17.5 points per game
              35. Draymond Green - 16.2 points per game
              36. Orlando Johnson - 19.7 points per game
              37. Quincy Acy - 12.0 points per game
              38. Quincy Miller - 10.6 points per game
              39. Khris Middleton - 13.2 points per game
              40. Will Barton - 18.0 points per game
              41. Tyshawn Taylor - 16.6 points per game
              42. Doron Lamb - 13.7 points per game
              43. Mike Scott - 18.0 points per game
              44. Kim English - 14.5 points per game
              45. Justin Hamilton - 12.9 points per game
              46. Darius Miller - 9.9 points per game
              47. Kevin Murphy - 20.6 points per game
              48. European guy
              49. Kyle O'Quinn - 15.9 points per game
              50. European guy
              51. Kris Joseph - 13.4 points per game
              52. European guy
              53. European guy
              54. European guy
              55. Darius Johnson-Odom - 18.3 points per game
              56. European guy
              57. European guy
              58. Robbie Hummel - 16.4 points per game
              59. Marcus Denmon - 17.7 points per game
              60. Robert Sacre - 11.6 points per game

              Should we discuss the undrafted players as well?
              wow great point Anthony Davis must suck then because he only averaged 14 points a game. Why in the world would anyone take that tool with the number 1 pick? ...

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              • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

                Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                You know which players have proven they were better options for scoring still on the board? EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.

                Looking on the bright side of things, sure Plumlee is at least 2 years older than every one of these players as well, but he also has experience coming off the bench. So maybe he hasn't proven he can score, but he has proven he isn't a starter. So he's got that going for him.

                26. Miles Plumlee - 6.6 points per game
                27. Arnett Moultrie - 16.4 points per game
                28. Perry Jones - 13.5 points per game
                29. Marquis Teague - 10.0 points per game
                30. Festus Ezeli - 10.1 points per game
                31. Jeff Taylor - 16.1 points per game
                32. European guy
                33. Bernard James - 10.8 points per game
                34. Jae Crowder - 17.5 points per game
                35. Draymond Green - 16.2 points per game
                36. Orlando Johnson - 19.7 points per game
                37. Quincy Acy - 12.0 points per game
                38. Quincy Miller - 10.6 points per game
                39. Khris Middleton - 13.2 points per game
                40. Will Barton - 18.0 points per game
                41. Tyshawn Taylor - 16.6 points per game
                42. Doron Lamb - 13.7 points per game
                43. Mike Scott - 18.0 points per game
                44. Kim English - 14.5 points per game
                45. Justin Hamilton - 12.9 points per game
                46. Darius Miller - 9.9 points per game
                47. Kevin Murphy - 20.6 points per game
                48. European guy
                49. Kyle O'Quinn - 15.9 points per game
                50. European guy
                51. Kris Joseph - 13.4 points per game
                52. European guy
                53. European guy
                54. European guy
                55. Darius Johnson-Odom - 18.3 points per game
                56. European guy
                57. European guy
                58. Robbie Hummel - 16.4 points per game
                59. Marcus Denmon - 17.7 points per game
                60. Robert Sacre - 11.6 points per game

                Should we discuss the undrafted players as well?
                Fab Melo averaged like 6 points I think, and he went 22 to the Celtics lol. Plumlee's lack of scoring is the last thing we need to worry about. We have enough scoring in the post in Hibbert and West.

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                • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

                  Originally posted by Speed View Post
                  Pumlee wasn't brought in to score, thats not a good measure. There are reason, many, to criticize this pick, not sure lack of scoring is one of them. Although you'd think with the clanks being produced by Austin Rivers, you'd think he'd have better scoring just from put backs.
                  It was a direct response to Since86 implying there were not any better proven scorers available at that point, when in fact they all had proven more than Plumlee had.

                  While Plumlee's lack of offensive talent is worrisome, his combination of age, and lack of talent in general is the real issue.

                  The comparisons to Hansbrough might as well start now. At least Plumlee isn't old, undersized, and lacking talent. He's just old and lacking talent.

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                  • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

                    Originally posted by Ratking View Post
                    Fesenko. Might end up being cheaper than Plumlee. I am disappointed in this pick mostly because I really believe in Fesenko. I think we could have afforded to take the risks on PJ III to develop and mature behind Granger/West, whoever.
                    What did you see in Fesenko that made you believe he is a shoe in for our main backup?

                    I ask because you saw something that our scouts, Larry, Vogel and staff didn't see.

                    Im just envisioning a few years from now that we end up regretting taking Plumlee as opposed to one of the dozen players drafted after him.
                    And on the flip side, Plum might be better than players picked ahead of him.

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                    • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

                      With all this said, I'm not going to defend this pick, its done. I think its rare a guy is not very productive in College then becomes a really productive pro. I get the whole getting a role player/dirty work guy, but if this was an elite guy at doing those things, wouldn't it show more at the collegiate level. I need to go back and watch tape, maybe he does all those things that don't show up in the box score, maybe he does set crunching picks and gets every loose ball and play tough post defense. I really don't know, although I'm inclined to think, if he did, he'd play more than 20 mins a game for Coach K.

                      Maybe he is a late bloomer and becomes this, it seems like he has legit size and ability. Its just a ton of ifs.

                      I also get the Pacers aren't trying to build a team that won 12 games last year, they are trying to fill out a team that they want to continue to grow together with the existing core.

                      Lastly, I have no argument against the value of this pick, at all. It really seems like you could have gotten him later and picked up assets.

                      I take solace in this, if Orlando Johnson was picked at 26 and Plumlee at 36, I'd be okay with it. So there's that.

                      On to Free Agency.
                      Last edited by Speed; 06-29-2012, 11:35 AM.

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                      • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

                        Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                        We needed a backup center that can play now. Plumlee may be able to do that.

                        For those who don't like Plum, who did you want at backup and how much would you pay them?
                        Marcus Camby on a 2 year contract around 6 million or Joel Pryzibilla or trade for Zaza all of these guys would offer veteran leadership and valuable defense.

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                        • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

                          Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                          Marcus Camby on a 2 year contract around 6 million or Joel Pryzibilla or trade for Zaza all of these guys would offer veteran leadership and valuable defense.
                          Can you get Camby for that? What would the other 2 guys cost? Good bigs are overpriced based on the same principles as anything, they are rare.

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                          • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

                            Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                            It was a direct response to Since86 implying there were not any better proven scorers available at that point, when in fact they all had proven more than Plumlee had.

                            So the list you provided was proven NBA scorers or proven NCAA scorers? The difference between the two is night and day.
                            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              The worst thing now is there will be Duke fans and North Carolina fans arguing with each other on this board. It's already starting.

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                              • Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

                                Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                                Fab Melo averaged like 6 points I think, and he went 22 to the Celtics lol. Plumlee's lack of scoring is the last thing we need to worry about. We have enough scoring in the post in Hibbert and West.
                                With the second unit no we don't. Hibbert can only play 30 minutes and West will start so when the second unit comes are whole game plan changes for the worse. The second unit doesn't have a good enough backcourt to score without a good inside presence IMO.

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