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    Sweet.... even writers on ESPN are making fun of our franchise and the fact that Larry Bird is obsessed with bad white players.
    Larry Bird drafted Shawne Williams, and Lance Stephenson is his boyfriend...

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    Why do I get the feeling that all this emotion stems from his name? He kind of sounds like the nerdy, fancy lad that even the unpopular kids picked on: Miles Plumlee.

    Maybe we should start calling him "Sterling Steel" or "Magnus von Armstrong". Somebody call America's Got Talent and see if we can get Nick Cannon to legally switch names with him.

    I'm just trying to help...

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    We needed a backup center that can play now. Plumlee may be able to do that.

    For those who don't like Plum, who did you want at backup and how much would you pay them?

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    Antonio Davis averaged 10.8 points, 7.6 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.5 steals, and 1.1 blocks in 31 minutes per game during his senior year at UTEP. I like my chances with Plumlee.

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    Maybe I am the one that is wrong, but I don't get too worked up either way about a 26th pick in the draft.

    If this guy is still on the team in 4 years then it is a great pick.

    And yes, I would also bet money that a player or two taken after the 26th pick will be a better player than Plumlee. Will it be any of the players mentioned in this thread as who the pacers should have taken? I have no idea, but probably not - just going by the odds.
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    Pacers to Introduce Miles Plumlee at Press Conference
    The Pacers will introduce Miles Plumlee at an introductory press conference on Friday, June 29th at 1:00 PM. Stay tuned to this URL for the live feed.

    Pacers.com will also be following Plumlee all throughout his first day at Bankers Life Fieldhouse, including a live chat scheduled in the afternoon after the press conference (time TBD). No date yet has been set for a press conference with Orlando Johnson.
    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/miles...ess-conference

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    There were "many better options" for a proven scorer for the bench still on the board? Okay....
    You know which players have proven they were better options for scoring still on the board? EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.

    Looking on the bright side of things, sure Plumlee is at least 2 years older than every one of these players as well, but he also has experience coming off the bench. So maybe he hasn't proven he can score, but he has proven he isn't a starter. So he's got that going for him.

    26. Miles Plumlee - 6.6 points per game
    27. Arnett Moultrie - 16.4 points per game
    28. Perry Jones - 13.5 points per game
    29. Marquis Teague - 10.0 points per game
    30. Festus Ezeli - 10.1 points per game
    31. Jeff Taylor - 16.1 points per game
    32. European guy
    33. Bernard James - 10.8 points per game
    34. Jae Crowder - 17.5 points per game
    35. Draymond Green - 16.2 points per game
    36. Orlando Johnson - 19.7 points per game
    37. Quincy Acy - 12.0 points per game
    38. Quincy Miller - 10.6 points per game
    39. Khris Middleton - 13.2 points per game
    40. Will Barton - 18.0 points per game
    41. Tyshawn Taylor - 16.6 points per game
    42. Doron Lamb - 13.7 points per game
    43. Mike Scott - 18.0 points per game
    44. Kim English - 14.5 points per game
    45. Justin Hamilton - 12.9 points per game
    46. Darius Miller - 9.9 points per game
    47. Kevin Murphy - 20.6 points per game
    48. European guy
    49. Kyle O'Quinn - 15.9 points per game
    50. European guy
    51. Kris Joseph - 13.4 points per game
    52. European guy
    53. European guy
    54. European guy
    55. Darius Johnson-Odom - 18.3 points per game
    56. European guy
    57. European guy
    58. Robbie Hummel - 16.4 points per game
    59. Marcus Denmon - 17.7 points per game
    60. Robert Sacre - 11.6 points per game

    Should we discuss the undrafted players as well?

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    I guess I didn't realize that if you scored in college, it means you scored in the NBA. That's why Steve Alford was such a great NBA'er, huh.

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    Pumlee wasn't brought in to score, thats not a good measure. There are reason, many, to criticize this pick, not sure lack of scoring is one of them. Although you'd think with the clanks being produced by Austin Rivers, you'd think he'd have better scoring just from put backs.

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    For those who don't like Plum, who did you want at backup and how much would you pay them?
    Fesenko. Might end up being cheaper than Plumlee. I am disappointed in this pick mostly because I really believe in Fesenko. I think we could have afforded to take the risks on PJ III to develop and mature behind Granger/West, whoever. Im just envisioning a few years from now that we end up regretting taking Plumlee as opposed to one of the dozen players drafted after him.

    I see Plumlee as a poor man's Ryan Hollins.

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    You know which players have proven they were better options for scoring still on the board? EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.

    Looking on the bright side of things, sure Plumlee is at least 2 years older than every one of these players as well, but he also has experience coming off the bench. So maybe he hasn't proven he can score, but he has proven he isn't a starter. So he's got that going for him.

    26. Miles Plumlee - 6.6 points per game
    27. Arnett Moultrie - 16.4 points per game
    28. Perry Jones - 13.5 points per game
    29. Marquis Teague - 10.0 points per game
    30. Festus Ezeli - 10.1 points per game
    31. Jeff Taylor - 16.1 points per game
    32. European guy
    33. Bernard James - 10.8 points per game
    34. Jae Crowder - 17.5 points per game
    35. Draymond Green - 16.2 points per game
    36. Orlando Johnson - 19.7 points per game
    37. Quincy Acy - 12.0 points per game
    38. Quincy Miller - 10.6 points per game
    39. Khris Middleton - 13.2 points per game
    40. Will Barton - 18.0 points per game
    41. Tyshawn Taylor - 16.6 points per game
    42. Doron Lamb - 13.7 points per game
    43. Mike Scott - 18.0 points per game
    44. Kim English - 14.5 points per game
    45. Justin Hamilton - 12.9 points per game
    46. Darius Miller - 9.9 points per game
    47. Kevin Murphy - 20.6 points per game
    48. European guy
    49. Kyle O'Quinn - 15.9 points per game
    50. European guy
    51. Kris Joseph - 13.4 points per game
    52. European guy
    53. European guy
    54. European guy
    55. Darius Johnson-Odom - 18.3 points per game
    56. European guy
    57. European guy
    58. Robbie Hummel - 16.4 points per game
    59. Marcus Denmon - 17.7 points per game
    60. Robert Sacre - 11.6 points per game

    Should we discuss the undrafted players as well?
    wow great point Anthony Davis must suck then because he only averaged 14 points a game. Why in the world would anyone take that tool with the number 1 pick? ...

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    You know which players have proven they were better options for scoring still on the board? EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.

    Looking on the bright side of things, sure Plumlee is at least 2 years older than every one of these players as well, but he also has experience coming off the bench. So maybe he hasn't proven he can score, but he has proven he isn't a starter. So he's got that going for him.

    26. Miles Plumlee - 6.6 points per game
    27. Arnett Moultrie - 16.4 points per game
    28. Perry Jones - 13.5 points per game
    29. Marquis Teague - 10.0 points per game
    30. Festus Ezeli - 10.1 points per game
    31. Jeff Taylor - 16.1 points per game
    32. European guy
    33. Bernard James - 10.8 points per game
    34. Jae Crowder - 17.5 points per game
    35. Draymond Green - 16.2 points per game
    36. Orlando Johnson - 19.7 points per game
    37. Quincy Acy - 12.0 points per game
    38. Quincy Miller - 10.6 points per game
    39. Khris Middleton - 13.2 points per game
    40. Will Barton - 18.0 points per game
    41. Tyshawn Taylor - 16.6 points per game
    42. Doron Lamb - 13.7 points per game
    43. Mike Scott - 18.0 points per game
    44. Kim English - 14.5 points per game
    45. Justin Hamilton - 12.9 points per game
    46. Darius Miller - 9.9 points per game
    47. Kevin Murphy - 20.6 points per game
    48. European guy
    49. Kyle O'Quinn - 15.9 points per game
    50. European guy
    51. Kris Joseph - 13.4 points per game
    52. European guy
    53. European guy
    54. European guy
    55. Darius Johnson-Odom - 18.3 points per game
    56. European guy
    57. European guy
    58. Robbie Hummel - 16.4 points per game
    59. Marcus Denmon - 17.7 points per game
    60. Robert Sacre - 11.6 points per game

    Should we discuss the undrafted players as well?
    Fab Melo averaged like 6 points I think, and he went 22 to the Celtics lol. Plumlee's lack of scoring is the last thing we need to worry about. We have enough scoring in the post in Hibbert and West.

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    Pumlee wasn't brought in to score, thats not a good measure. There are reason, many, to criticize this pick, not sure lack of scoring is one of them. Although you'd think with the clanks being produced by Austin Rivers, you'd think he'd have better scoring just from put backs.
    It was a direct response to Since86 implying there were not any better proven scorers available at that point, when in fact they all had proven more than Plumlee had.

    While Plumlee's lack of offensive talent is worrisome, his combination of age, and lack of talent in general is the real issue.

    The comparisons to Hansbrough might as well start now. At least Plumlee isn't old, undersized, and lacking talent. He's just old and lacking talent.

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    Fesenko. Might end up being cheaper than Plumlee. I am disappointed in this pick mostly because I really believe in Fesenko. I think we could have afforded to take the risks on PJ III to develop and mature behind Granger/West, whoever.
    What did you see in Fesenko that made you believe he is a shoe in for our main backup?

    I ask because you saw something that our scouts, Larry, Vogel and staff didn't see.

    Im just envisioning a few years from now that we end up regretting taking Plumlee as opposed to one of the dozen players drafted after him.
    And on the flip side, Plum might be better than players picked ahead of him.

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    With all this said, I'm not going to defend this pick, its done. I think its rare a guy is not very productive in College then becomes a really productive pro. I get the whole getting a role player/dirty work guy, but if this was an elite guy at doing those things, wouldn't it show more at the collegiate level. I need to go back and watch tape, maybe he does all those things that don't show up in the box score, maybe he does set crunching picks and gets every loose ball and play tough post defense. I really don't know, although I'm inclined to think, if he did, he'd play more than 20 mins a game for Coach K.

    Maybe he is a late bloomer and becomes this, it seems like he has legit size and ability. Its just a ton of ifs.

    I also get the Pacers aren't trying to build a team that won 12 games last year, they are trying to fill out a team that they want to continue to grow together with the existing core.

    Lastly, I have no argument against the value of this pick, at all. It really seems like you could have gotten him later and picked up assets.

    I take solace in this, if Orlando Johnson was picked at 26 and Plumlee at 36, I'd be okay with it. So there's that.

    On to Free Agency.
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    We needed a backup center that can play now. Plumlee may be able to do that.

    For those who don't like Plum, who did you want at backup and how much would you pay them?
    Marcus Camby on a 2 year contract around 6 million or Joel Pryzibilla or trade for Zaza all of these guys would offer veteran leadership and valuable defense.

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    Marcus Camby on a 2 year contract around 6 million or Joel Pryzibilla or trade for Zaza all of these guys would offer veteran leadership and valuable defense.
    Can you get Camby for that? What would the other 2 guys cost? Good bigs are overpriced based on the same principles as anything, they are rare.

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    It was a direct response to Since86 implying there were not any better proven scorers available at that point, when in fact they all had proven more than Plumlee had.

    So the list you provided was proven NBA scorers or proven NCAA scorers? The difference between the two is night and day.

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    The worst thing now is there will be Duke fans and North Carolina fans arguing with each other on this board. It's already starting.

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    Fab Melo averaged like 6 points I think, and he went 22 to the Celtics lol. Plumlee's lack of scoring is the last thing we need to worry about. We have enough scoring in the post in Hibbert and West.
    With the second unit no we don't. Hibbert can only play 30 minutes and West will start so when the second unit comes are whole game plan changes for the worse. The second unit doesn't have a good enough backcourt to score without a good inside presence IMO.

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    Can you get Camby for that? What would the other 2 guys cost? Good bigs are overpriced based on the same principles as anything, they are rare.
    At his age yes you can especially if you offer him a chance at winning in the playoffs. Gesh even if you went young and got Robin Lopez for 3 years that is better than Miles.

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    Marcus Camby on a 2 year contract around 6 million or Joel Pryzibilla or trade for Zaza all of these guys would offer veteran leadership and valuable defense.
    Don't like any of that. Camby played 15 games? Joel played 20 games? Zaza just can't play much.

    Plus they will all be overpriced.

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    With all this said, I'm not going to defend this pick, its done. I think its rare a guy is not very productive in College then becomes a really productive pro. I get the whole getting a role player/dirty work guy, but if this was an elite guy at doing those things, wouldn't it show more at the collegiate level. I need to go back and watch tape, maybe he does all those things that don't show up in the box score, maybe he does set crunching picks and gets every loose ball and play tough post defense. I really don't know, although I'm inclined to think, if he did, he'd play more than 20 mins a game for Coach K.

    Maybe he is a late bloomer and becomes this, it seems like he has legit size and ability. Its just a ton of ifs.

    I also get the Pacers aren't trying to build a team that won 12 games last year, they are trying to fill out a team that they want to continue to grow together with the existing core.

    Lastly, I have no argument against the value of this pick, at all. It really seems like you could have gotten him later and picked up assets.

    I take solice in this, if Orlando Johnson was picked at 26 and Plumlee at 36, I'd be okay with it. So there's that.

    On to Free Agency.
    Very good post.

    Only problem I have with it is, how late can a person actually "bloom?" Dude is already going to be 24 years old as a rookie.

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    Don't like any of that. Camby played 15 games? Joel played 20 games? Zaza just can't play much.

    Plus they will all be overpriced.
    Camby played 59 games and averaged 5 and 9 with 1.4 blocks in 23 minutes. For a 2 year contract he would be worth 6 million IMO.

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    Hansbrough, Plumlee and Hayward if he could have in 2010 ... Maybe Jordans not the worst in picking in the draft.
    Seriously?

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