Like all draft rooms for an NBA team, I put together a bigboard each year of all the NBA prospects, mostly based on my own filmwork in my case, though sometimes I can only go on research and opinions of others.
Anyway, instead of doing a pointless mock draft that won’t have any chance of being correct, I instead am going to list my top 41 NBA bigboard, with an emphasis on making it “Pacers- Centric”….in other words, I have put our current roster, needs, strengths and weaknesses, contracts, coaching staff, and every other factor together along with my evaluations of the players to put them in this order.
I am listing 41 players on my big board, which will exclude all foreign players since I basically haven’t seen them at all and have no real opinions on them….so please factor that in. And I know I’ll have lots of disagreements on my order, so feel free to discuss all of that in the comments.The number I have is 41, because that is how many players (excluding foreigners) that I considered to be good enough players to make the league directly from the draft. I included many players who are undersized for their positions, but only if I considered them elite enough of players to make the league despite whatever their limitations. 2 notable exclusions are Jae Crowder from Marquette, and Robbie Hummel from Purdue, 2 really good college players who I consider to not be sure NBA guys despite their collegiate careers due to their lack of size or injuries. The 41 guys I listed I think all can make a roster at some point.
Having said all that, this is my Tbird Pacer 2012 draft big board:
1. ANTHONY DAVIS. Obviously the gem in the draft, Isee a lot of Tim Duncan in him.
2. DAMIAN LILLARD. I think he projects as a top 6player at a critical position in the NBA. The only current NBA point guards I wouldn’t
trade for Lillard are Rondo, Westbrook, Rose, Parker, Paul, and maybe Nash, if you disregard his age.
3. TYLER ZELLER. A big with a high motor andcharacter who will play 15 years in the league, perfect fit for us as a 4/5 “player x”, with Indiana ties and in a critical position. Can immediately play starters minutes for us as our first big off the bench and can be a franchise cornerstone for the next decade….I think he can play half his minutes playing besides Hibbert, which is why I rank him so high.
4. BRADLEY BEAL. A perfect compliment long term toPaul George, I think Beal will play in multiple all star games down the line.Not a superstar, but a fine player who scores a ton of points at this level ifused properly.
5. MICHAEL KIDD-GILCHREST. A guy who play sextremely hard and is tough minded. I think he is a 14-15 point a game guy inthe league with a high motor who is physical and tough as a rebounder and defender.Kind of a Gerald Wallace type.
6. THOMAS ROBINSON. While I don’t think he is an All Star ever, I think he has a nice long term career as a 4 man in this league. Lunch pail guy as a starter for 10 years, a lot like a Horace Grant type.
7. MOE HARKLESS. I think he is 95% as good as Kidd-Gilchrest. Love his aggressiveness, swagger, and size for his position. Ithink he will become a good shooter in time if he is developed properly.Projects to be a dynamite rebounder and defender. He reminds me a ton of Paul George,maybe just a half a rung under him as a player but still a clearly coveted player.
8. JOHN HENSON. Skinny and I am not sure of theupside, but I think a defensive minded, rangy big man who is athletic couldpotentially be a good fit for us alongside Hibbert. He definitely needs todevelop his body, but I like him as a rim protector and I would be willing togamble to see if he can become a Serge Ibaka type, though Larry Sanders is morewhat I expect.
9. TERRENCE ROSS. I haven’t studied him as much asothers, but it appears as if he can clearly score the ball and well respected guys I know really like him.
10. DION WALTERS. I love his physique and the factthat he swallowed his pride and came off the bench at Syracuse. He is athletic as hell and can really get to the basket, and seems like a potential good fit next to Paul George long term.
11. JEFF TAYLOR: He is such a superior defender thatI have to rate him here, above some other more highly touted guys. To win longterm, you need guys who can guard the Rose, Rondo, Wade, Westbrook kind of guys, and Taylor I think can be a defender of elite types like that. If you value defense like I do, you have to put him high on the list of guys you like.
12. ARNETT MOULTRIE: A long, big, athletic 4 man in a position of need. I’d be hoping long term that he could gain some strength and play some backup center for us as well. If he hits his total potential hecould be a great fit next to Hibbert, but I admit I have doubts, still I put him here. Hopefully he can learn to defend.
13. ANDRE DRUMMOND: A low motor, inconsistent raw big man who didn’t do much in college. Still, at worst I think he projects to be a decent to good backup center, and that isn’t a bad thing. And if he would happen to hit his potential, he could eventually be better than anyone in this draft other than Davis.
14. QUINCY MILLER: I like his body type and overall game, and think he has potential to be a high quality starter, though not an All Star. The fact that you have to wait on him knocks him down to here,because he clearly isn’t ready yet.
15. HARRISON BARNES: Obviously I am not as high onhim as some teams, but he will be a nice player, maybe even become very similarto Danny Granger. Still as a fit long term next to Paul George I am looking forsomething different, and the fact that he can’t get his own shot off thedribble concerns me. Still I bet he averages 17 points a game eventually andmaybe more, but he just leaves me cold.
16. FAB MELO: I think he is a physical, defensive minded backup center. While he sucks on offense and likely will never be good in the low post, a big who can defend the rim for cheap money has value….I put him here.
17. FESTUS EZELI: Raw big man with size, similar in potential to Melo. A role player for cheap money, rim protectors have high value in my book.
18. JEREMY LAMB: Maybe I have him too low, but hejust doesn’t light my fire. I know he will go much higher than on my big board,but he just plays so lethargic sometimes, and I don’t like his body language.Maybe I need to watch more UConn tape. Still, a high quality shooter than at worst can be a scorer off the bench, and maybe can start someday on the right team.
19. ORLANDO JOHNSON: I love his attitude and game,and love that he can make tough shots. Great chemistry guy, plays with guts and intelligence, will be a nice role player for someone as a scorer off the bench with a chance to be a plus defender as well.
20. KENDALL MARSHALL: probably an average to slightly above point guard in the NBA, very good passer. His horrible defense probably bothers me more than all of you reading this, but this is where I put him.
21. ANDREW NICHOLSON: A nice back to the basket guy with some skill, seems like a back up 4 man to me on a decent team. Is ready more or less to play right away, which moves him up some.
22. AUSTIN RIVERS: Gunslinger with irrational confidence in his own game. I think he is selfish and a lazy defender, but his pedigree and crossover dribble are top notch. Has potential as an instant offense guy off the bench but not sure he’d accept that role.
23. MARQUIS TEAGUE: Lots of holes in his game but heis an explosive athlete with a great first step. I think he may grow into a really good point guard defender someday if he works at it. Never going to be great but can be good if he has time to develop.
24. PERRY JONES: nice guy off the court, and way too nice on the court. Lots of sizzle, not much steak. Strikes me as immature and goofy, doesn’t play hard all the time. Still a lot of raw material to workwith, but he reminds me of the underachieving Tim Thomas.
25. JERED SULLINGER: I see him as a backup, 18-20minute backup power forward who might be able to score for you some but will be a defensive liability. Somewhere between Clarence Weatherspoon and Ike Diogu.
26. JOHN JENKINS: A sniper. Mostly a one trick pony,but it is a hell of a trick! Kyle Korver, JJ Redick kind of guy and career.
27. ROYCE WHITE: A unique kid with a different personality, a lot of baggage there, still has some talent but he just doesn’t excite me that much. I don’t see who he guards well at the NBA level. Has a lot of Boris Diaw to his game, and that isn’t a compliment.
28. TERRENCE JONES: I know he will go higher than this, but he just seems like a jack of all trades type of guy to me, with no one great skill. Who does he guard, I don’t know. Kind of reminds me of Devin Eubanks, but he went as a second rounder I think.
29. MEYERS LEONARD: I know he might belong a little higher in most people’s eyes, but he just doesn’t strike me as a dedicated player who loves the game to work and improve. Measures out better and plays against chairs in workouts well, but he wasn’t that good in the big 10. Still he is a big body and possibly can become something if I am wrong.
30. MIKE SCOTT: veteran guy from Virginia. Reallynice numbers playing in their slowdown style. I bet he ends up being a nice player for someone, he is fundamentally sound but not really athletic and explosive, plus he is older than most everyone else in the draft.
31. WILL BARTON: I know Indiana is considering him,and he isn’t bad but he needs some major added strength to be able to play.Slinky, wiry, awkward looking player who is strangely effective. Still, skinny wings who aren’t explosive are a dime a dozen, and I don’t see that one awesomes kill that he needs to make it.
32. MILES PLUMLEE: Plumlee sucked at Duke most ofthe time, but he will stick in the league as a scrub back up center for somebody because he is athletic enough to play and run the floor, and set somegood screens. As scarce as backup bigs are, he should find a niche for a few years.
33. DARIUS MILLER: I think sticks in the league as a high character guy who can make mid range jump shots, but won’t be a major contributor to a winning team.
34. DRAYMOND GREEN: I think sticks in the league as a high character, low risk undersized backup 4 man, but that is all he is.
35. DREW GORDON: I think makes the league as are bounding specialist with enough upside to merit working with.
36. TYSHAWN TAYLOR: I think sticks in the league as a backup point guard…..though I admit he might be underrated in this list. Still a point guard who turns it over as much as he did in college scares the hell out of me.
37. JORDAN TAYLOR: I think he is way underrated andcan easily make a roster. I’d love to take him in the second round somehow as a3rd point guard and see if we can develop him. I think that Wisconsin system severely limited him.
38. DORON LAMB: I think sticks in the league as ashooter, but I have doubts whether he can crack the rotation on a good team.
39. KIM ENGLISH: yet another high quality shooter int his draft, English can stroke it, but his release to me is a bit slower than Jenkins was, and I don’t think he can guard well. I still think he makes a roster though.
40. TONY WROTEN: All potential with no real game, I need to study him more. Nice NBA frame, but in the little I have seen from him he is a turnover waiting to happen and he can’t shoot. Just a project at thispoint.
41. JON SHURNA: He sticks in the league due to hisability to shoot from deep as a pick/pop guy. Lots of those guys have longcareers.
Depending on the price, I think any of the guys in the top 8 are worth trading up to get for us if possible. The realistic targets to get up high enough for are Zeller, Harkless, and Henson. Lillard is worth it too, but I don’t think we have the ammunition to get there to #6, which is where I think he goes.
Harkless I think could be available in the mid to low teens,and if he is I’d be very happy to move up 10 spots or so and snag him, and if Henson slides I’d be ready to go after him as well.
If you are staying at #26, just follow my draft board to figure out who I would take as they come off. I think Taylor and Miller are the highest rated guys on my board with a chance to actually be there at #26. Picking that late, I think it is important to stick to your draft board as the picks happen, and be opportunistic if someone slides to you.
This should generate some interesting discussion. I know I am off a little with the normal draft gurus, but this is how I see things froma Pacer point of view.
As always, the above is just my opinion.
Tbird
Anyway, instead of doing a pointless mock draft that won’t have any chance of being correct, I instead am going to list my top 41 NBA bigboard, with an emphasis on making it “Pacers- Centric”….in other words, I have put our current roster, needs, strengths and weaknesses, contracts, coaching staff, and every other factor together along with my evaluations of the players to put them in this order.
I am listing 41 players on my big board, which will exclude all foreign players since I basically haven’t seen them at all and have no real opinions on them….so please factor that in. And I know I’ll have lots of disagreements on my order, so feel free to discuss all of that in the comments.The number I have is 41, because that is how many players (excluding foreigners) that I considered to be good enough players to make the league directly from the draft. I included many players who are undersized for their positions, but only if I considered them elite enough of players to make the league despite whatever their limitations. 2 notable exclusions are Jae Crowder from Marquette, and Robbie Hummel from Purdue, 2 really good college players who I consider to not be sure NBA guys despite their collegiate careers due to their lack of size or injuries. The 41 guys I listed I think all can make a roster at some point.
Having said all that, this is my Tbird Pacer 2012 draft big board:
1. ANTHONY DAVIS. Obviously the gem in the draft, Isee a lot of Tim Duncan in him.
2. DAMIAN LILLARD. I think he projects as a top 6player at a critical position in the NBA. The only current NBA point guards I wouldn’t
trade for Lillard are Rondo, Westbrook, Rose, Parker, Paul, and maybe Nash, if you disregard his age.
3. TYLER ZELLER. A big with a high motor andcharacter who will play 15 years in the league, perfect fit for us as a 4/5 “player x”, with Indiana ties and in a critical position. Can immediately play starters minutes for us as our first big off the bench and can be a franchise cornerstone for the next decade….I think he can play half his minutes playing besides Hibbert, which is why I rank him so high.
4. BRADLEY BEAL. A perfect compliment long term toPaul George, I think Beal will play in multiple all star games down the line.Not a superstar, but a fine player who scores a ton of points at this level ifused properly.
5. MICHAEL KIDD-GILCHREST. A guy who play sextremely hard and is tough minded. I think he is a 14-15 point a game guy inthe league with a high motor who is physical and tough as a rebounder and defender.Kind of a Gerald Wallace type.
6. THOMAS ROBINSON. While I don’t think he is an All Star ever, I think he has a nice long term career as a 4 man in this league. Lunch pail guy as a starter for 10 years, a lot like a Horace Grant type.
7. MOE HARKLESS. I think he is 95% as good as Kidd-Gilchrest. Love his aggressiveness, swagger, and size for his position. Ithink he will become a good shooter in time if he is developed properly.Projects to be a dynamite rebounder and defender. He reminds me a ton of Paul George,maybe just a half a rung under him as a player but still a clearly coveted player.
8. JOHN HENSON. Skinny and I am not sure of theupside, but I think a defensive minded, rangy big man who is athletic couldpotentially be a good fit for us alongside Hibbert. He definitely needs todevelop his body, but I like him as a rim protector and I would be willing togamble to see if he can become a Serge Ibaka type, though Larry Sanders is morewhat I expect.
9. TERRENCE ROSS. I haven’t studied him as much asothers, but it appears as if he can clearly score the ball and well respected guys I know really like him.
10. DION WALTERS. I love his physique and the factthat he swallowed his pride and came off the bench at Syracuse. He is athletic as hell and can really get to the basket, and seems like a potential good fit next to Paul George long term.
11. JEFF TAYLOR: He is such a superior defender thatI have to rate him here, above some other more highly touted guys. To win longterm, you need guys who can guard the Rose, Rondo, Wade, Westbrook kind of guys, and Taylor I think can be a defender of elite types like that. If you value defense like I do, you have to put him high on the list of guys you like.
12. ARNETT MOULTRIE: A long, big, athletic 4 man in a position of need. I’d be hoping long term that he could gain some strength and play some backup center for us as well. If he hits his total potential hecould be a great fit next to Hibbert, but I admit I have doubts, still I put him here. Hopefully he can learn to defend.
13. ANDRE DRUMMOND: A low motor, inconsistent raw big man who didn’t do much in college. Still, at worst I think he projects to be a decent to good backup center, and that isn’t a bad thing. And if he would happen to hit his potential, he could eventually be better than anyone in this draft other than Davis.
14. QUINCY MILLER: I like his body type and overall game, and think he has potential to be a high quality starter, though not an All Star. The fact that you have to wait on him knocks him down to here,because he clearly isn’t ready yet.
15. HARRISON BARNES: Obviously I am not as high onhim as some teams, but he will be a nice player, maybe even become very similarto Danny Granger. Still as a fit long term next to Paul George I am looking forsomething different, and the fact that he can’t get his own shot off thedribble concerns me. Still I bet he averages 17 points a game eventually andmaybe more, but he just leaves me cold.
16. FAB MELO: I think he is a physical, defensive minded backup center. While he sucks on offense and likely will never be good in the low post, a big who can defend the rim for cheap money has value….I put him here.
17. FESTUS EZELI: Raw big man with size, similar in potential to Melo. A role player for cheap money, rim protectors have high value in my book.
18. JEREMY LAMB: Maybe I have him too low, but hejust doesn’t light my fire. I know he will go much higher than on my big board,but he just plays so lethargic sometimes, and I don’t like his body language.Maybe I need to watch more UConn tape. Still, a high quality shooter than at worst can be a scorer off the bench, and maybe can start someday on the right team.
19. ORLANDO JOHNSON: I love his attitude and game,and love that he can make tough shots. Great chemistry guy, plays with guts and intelligence, will be a nice role player for someone as a scorer off the bench with a chance to be a plus defender as well.
20. KENDALL MARSHALL: probably an average to slightly above point guard in the NBA, very good passer. His horrible defense probably bothers me more than all of you reading this, but this is where I put him.
21. ANDREW NICHOLSON: A nice back to the basket guy with some skill, seems like a back up 4 man to me on a decent team. Is ready more or less to play right away, which moves him up some.
22. AUSTIN RIVERS: Gunslinger with irrational confidence in his own game. I think he is selfish and a lazy defender, but his pedigree and crossover dribble are top notch. Has potential as an instant offense guy off the bench but not sure he’d accept that role.
23. MARQUIS TEAGUE: Lots of holes in his game but heis an explosive athlete with a great first step. I think he may grow into a really good point guard defender someday if he works at it. Never going to be great but can be good if he has time to develop.
24. PERRY JONES: nice guy off the court, and way too nice on the court. Lots of sizzle, not much steak. Strikes me as immature and goofy, doesn’t play hard all the time. Still a lot of raw material to workwith, but he reminds me of the underachieving Tim Thomas.
25. JERED SULLINGER: I see him as a backup, 18-20minute backup power forward who might be able to score for you some but will be a defensive liability. Somewhere between Clarence Weatherspoon and Ike Diogu.
26. JOHN JENKINS: A sniper. Mostly a one trick pony,but it is a hell of a trick! Kyle Korver, JJ Redick kind of guy and career.
27. ROYCE WHITE: A unique kid with a different personality, a lot of baggage there, still has some talent but he just doesn’t excite me that much. I don’t see who he guards well at the NBA level. Has a lot of Boris Diaw to his game, and that isn’t a compliment.
28. TERRENCE JONES: I know he will go higher than this, but he just seems like a jack of all trades type of guy to me, with no one great skill. Who does he guard, I don’t know. Kind of reminds me of Devin Eubanks, but he went as a second rounder I think.
29. MEYERS LEONARD: I know he might belong a little higher in most people’s eyes, but he just doesn’t strike me as a dedicated player who loves the game to work and improve. Measures out better and plays against chairs in workouts well, but he wasn’t that good in the big 10. Still he is a big body and possibly can become something if I am wrong.
30. MIKE SCOTT: veteran guy from Virginia. Reallynice numbers playing in their slowdown style. I bet he ends up being a nice player for someone, he is fundamentally sound but not really athletic and explosive, plus he is older than most everyone else in the draft.
31. WILL BARTON: I know Indiana is considering him,and he isn’t bad but he needs some major added strength to be able to play.Slinky, wiry, awkward looking player who is strangely effective. Still, skinny wings who aren’t explosive are a dime a dozen, and I don’t see that one awesomes kill that he needs to make it.
32. MILES PLUMLEE: Plumlee sucked at Duke most ofthe time, but he will stick in the league as a scrub back up center for somebody because he is athletic enough to play and run the floor, and set somegood screens. As scarce as backup bigs are, he should find a niche for a few years.
33. DARIUS MILLER: I think sticks in the league as a high character guy who can make mid range jump shots, but won’t be a major contributor to a winning team.
34. DRAYMOND GREEN: I think sticks in the league as a high character, low risk undersized backup 4 man, but that is all he is.
35. DREW GORDON: I think makes the league as are bounding specialist with enough upside to merit working with.
36. TYSHAWN TAYLOR: I think sticks in the league as a backup point guard…..though I admit he might be underrated in this list. Still a point guard who turns it over as much as he did in college scares the hell out of me.
37. JORDAN TAYLOR: I think he is way underrated andcan easily make a roster. I’d love to take him in the second round somehow as a3rd point guard and see if we can develop him. I think that Wisconsin system severely limited him.
38. DORON LAMB: I think sticks in the league as ashooter, but I have doubts whether he can crack the rotation on a good team.
39. KIM ENGLISH: yet another high quality shooter int his draft, English can stroke it, but his release to me is a bit slower than Jenkins was, and I don’t think he can guard well. I still think he makes a roster though.
40. TONY WROTEN: All potential with no real game, I need to study him more. Nice NBA frame, but in the little I have seen from him he is a turnover waiting to happen and he can’t shoot. Just a project at thispoint.
41. JON SHURNA: He sticks in the league due to hisability to shoot from deep as a pick/pop guy. Lots of those guys have longcareers.
Depending on the price, I think any of the guys in the top 8 are worth trading up to get for us if possible. The realistic targets to get up high enough for are Zeller, Harkless, and Henson. Lillard is worth it too, but I don’t think we have the ammunition to get there to #6, which is where I think he goes.
Harkless I think could be available in the mid to low teens,and if he is I’d be very happy to move up 10 spots or so and snag him, and if Henson slides I’d be ready to go after him as well.
If you are staying at #26, just follow my draft board to figure out who I would take as they come off. I think Taylor and Miller are the highest rated guys on my board with a chance to actually be there at #26. Picking that late, I think it is important to stick to your draft board as the picks happen, and be opportunistic if someone slides to you.
This should generate some interesting discussion. I know I am off a little with the normal draft gurus, but this is how I see things froma Pacer point of view.
As always, the above is just my opinion.
Tbird
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