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Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

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  • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

    So a combination of health and our owner's frugality did Larry Legend in?

    This was really supposed to be an offseason where the team took another half-step forward, not a half-step back.

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    • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

      Kravitz: A Different Bird Walks Away, Leaving Successor On Verge Of Something Big
      http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...TS15/120626013

      Larry Bird is different.Who takes a team to the NBA Finals, wins Coach of the Year, and then walks away?
      Bird does.

      Who spends years patiently, painfully rebuilding a franchise, gets his team back to the playoffs and the doorstep of something special, wins Executive of the Year, then walks away again?

      Bird does.

      It’s sad and unfortunate, in a way, because Bird did all the heavy lifting necessary to lift the post-Brawl Pacers out of the financial and competitive doldrums, brought them to a point where they look like a 50-win team for years to come.

      It’s also for the best.

      As Reggie Miller once said when he decided to remain in retirement rather than join the Boston Celtics for a run at a ring, "If you’re not all in, you’re out."

      Bird came to the decision he could no longer be all in.

      Why did he make this call?

      He’s told people it has nothing to do with disagreements with owner Herb Simon, either about front-office personnel or payroll. Fact is, Bird got what he wanted: David Morway got punted and Kevin Pritchard will take over Bird’s spot as the general manager.

      So why’s he walking?

      Over the past year, we had a few conversations about what he might do. One day, he would sound like he was staying. Another day, he would sound like a goner. But the one thing he would always bring up was the pain he was feeling in his eternally balky back, the fact it was so difficult to sit for hours on end and watch tape or sit in a gym and watch prospects.

      Unless there’s a backstory with which we’re completely unfamiliar, this sounds like a health, or quality-of-life issue, at its core.


      And it’s a shame, because Bird --- yes, along with Morway --- brought this team back to life and made pro basketball relevant again in Indianapolis.

      When Bird took over, this was a team even the locals disliked. Out went a bunch of troubled souls. In came a bunch of nicer guys who, well, couldn’t play.

      But it was part of the process. And during that process, Bird was excruciatingly patient about refusing to take on large salaries for a quick fix. The team floundered, but there was a plan. He kept saying it and Morway kept saying it: We have a plan.

      And we finally saw the fruits of that plan, first late last season after Frank Vogel took over and freed his young players to play their best, then again this season when the Pacers had the fifth-best record in the NBA.

      Now, the Pacers are close to doing some significant things, being competitive deep into the playoffs, flush with promising young talent like Paul George, Roy Hibbert and others.

      And he’s walking away.

      This doesn’t make sense.

      But, then, Larry Bird is a different guy.

      So now it’s Kevin Pritchard’s turn, and the former Portland Blazers GM gets to run the final few miles of this marathon.

      Has anybody ever walked into a better situation?

      The talent is here. The cap room is here.

      It’s a far sight from the old JailBlazers team Pritchard adopted in 2006, when he took over a bad team with worse actors, a group that couldn’t stay off the police blotter.

      But he had several excellent drafts. You can’t blame him for the physical deterioration of Greg Oden; everybody, and we mean everybody, would have taken Oden, presumably the next Bill Russell, with the first pick in the draft. He drafted Brandon Roy, who was a superstar until his health failed. He drafted LaMarcus Aldridge. And he made several other key acquisitions (Nicolas Batum, Rudy Fernandez) along the way, including signing Joel Pryzbilla.

      Pacers fans should be ready: Pritchard is super-aggressive. In 2006 and 2007, he made a ridiculous number of draft-day trades that netted several core players. Unlike Bird, who was forced to be patient, Pritchard will be out front and pushing the envelope.

      Nobody I’ve spoken to questions Pritchard’s front-office acumen or work ethic. Where Bird hated to spend hours on the phone, Pritchard is a workaholic who used to work most holidays at the Blazers facility. And his background can’t be questioned; he was surrounded at different points of his career by the likes of Gregg Popovich, Larry Brown and San Antonio GM R.C. Buford.

      The nagging question that followed Pritchard out of Portland, where he was forced out by owner Paul Allen and his minions, was his personality. He rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. He was viewed as being too brash, too quick to grab the credit when things went well. He also made mistakes, reportedly complaining to people around the league about his relatively paltry salary.

      But this is his second time around the league in this capacity.

      And as one long-time Pritchard watcher told me, "You’re getting a humbled, improved version of Kevin Pritchard. He’s made some mistakes and I think he’s learned from them. But you can’t question his ability as a GM. Just look at his record."

      Bird took the Pacers up the mountain.

      Now it’s Pritchard’s job to get them to the peak.
      My God, the one sentence paragraphs.
      Last edited by Heisenberg; 06-26-2012, 10:59 AM.

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      • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

        Originally posted by PacerPenguins View Post
        Gallinari is pretty damn good
        Not at #6 or with Jeff Foster's back at age 20. And he doesn't play defense and shoots just a little better than A.J. Price.

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        • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
          Bird wanted a championship Simon just wants to break even and fine contending for 5th in the east every year putting a decent product on the floor.
          Where are you getting this? Wells, Grady and Kravitz have all said that this isn't a payroll issue. Simon really wants to win.

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          • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

            Sad day indeed...

            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
            I believe that's a given as Walsh drafted Rautins and Fields right prior to Bird drafting Stephenson. With Born Ready the best player supposedly ever coming out of NYC you know Walsh had to have seen and had info on Stephenson. Walsh passed on all of Born Ready's great potential. Yep, color Stephenson gone. Maybe Hansbrough too.
            Lance never would have made it in New York. I'm sure Donnie realized that. You could be right, but I hope not. Tyler on the other hand...

            Originally posted by RamBo_Lamar View Post
            Mr. Bird, thank you for the good years you have given to the Pacers,
            and your part in returning the franchise to respectability.

            Enjoy your retirement.
            I'm not sure he's done yet. It wouldn't surprise me to see him back with another team next year or hopefully like some have speculated, back with us.

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            • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

              I'm surprised to see another optimistic Kravitz article, but I guess that's kind of been his theme for the Pacers these days. I have confidence in Pritchard, but even that isn't exactly official yet.

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              • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

                Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                Where are you getting this? Wells, Grady have Kravitz all said that this isn't a payroll issue. Simon really want to win.
                did you not hear Wells?? He said health wasnt a issue and also said Bird wanted to go after anyone he wanted. Said he didnt feel Simon would spend like Bird wanted. He felt like Simon wouldnt spend to get the Pacers over the hump for a title.

                Wells was pretty clear it wasnt about health and more about not being able to go after who he wanted to win.


                What Wells was saying contradicts Kravitz. I tend to believe Wells over Kravitz. I doubt we get the real story Bird isnt gonna call the owner out.
                Last edited by pacer4ever; 06-26-2012, 11:07 AM.

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                • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

                  Ok, Pritchard, it's your turn to shine again.

                  Trade DC for a pick around the lottery.

                  Trans Hans to the Cavs for either both 2nds or their late 1st and 1 second. It's already been metioned the Cavs don't want to walk into camp with a bunch of rookies. I think they'd agree to something like this.

                  Let's make some deals happen and make our bench truly deep.
                  First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                  • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

                    Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                    I'm not sure he's done yet. It wouldn't surprise me to see him back with another team next year or hopefully like some have speculated, back with us.
                    I'd be very surprised if Bird went to a different team. It's been either Indiana or bust for him and he'd retire.

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                    • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

                      Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                      WTF.

                      I swear to god, I did a direct copy/paste. ****ing ESPN.

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                      • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

                        They just posted Bruno's interview with Grady and Joe from today, I'm sure Wells's will be up shortly

                        http://www.1070thefan.com/podcast/Ep....aspx?PID=2160

                        edit: they just put Wells up

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                        • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

                          I think the money issue is that Simon isn't ready to jump straight from cap space to being over the LT all at once, without any kind of guarantee we'd be that much better a team.

                          We could easily go over the LT with players at the level we have now. If it were me paying the bills, I'd sure want some kind of ability to put on the brakes if it looked like we were heading into being a very expensive perennial 2nd round or ECF team without having any chance to take the next step because of the cap/LT situation.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                          • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING?

                            Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
                            Normally, at our Star Media distribution center we receive the daily "METRO" paper at 1:45am... The delay was only 30mins today which tells me that you're probably right about The Star wanting this to be broken by the "Print Edition". For late breaking sports news we usually receive papers closer to 3-3:15am or later.
                            Wells just confirmed this during his interview on Grady/Big Joe. He mentioned that he was worried that during the time that it took for this story to go to print someone like Wojo would swoop in and get the scoop because he is one of the best in the league.
                            Thanks Mike for giving us "print edition" guys some love! Maybe I can sell some papers here on the west side!
                            ...Still "flying casual"
                            @roaminggnome74

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                            • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

                              I wonder if this means Bird was looking to go after Deron Williams or Steve Nash, but never got the green light from Simon

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                              • Re: Larry Bird LEAVING the Pacers

                                oh lord, Stephen A Smith's talking about it on ESPN

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